3 second question

[Adam]

Originally Posted by billyu2

"The only affect the rule change would have would be during the time after the throw-in pass bounces in the FC (TC and FC status are now in place) and before a player gains control inbounds (at which point the applicable rules are the same as last year). At most, we're talking about 2 seconds or so, so it's not really that big of an effect."

Snaq, I don't think that is correct because it doesn't matter how many seconds elapse when the throw-in pass bounces on the floor and before it is touched by a player since the throw-in still hasn't ended. Obviously, we can't start a 3 count before the TI ends. I think what the caseplay above is saying is, for 3 second purposes, there must be player control (therefore TC) on the floor in the FC before any 3-count begins following a throw-in.

1. Based on the rule, why is it obvious?
2. When the throw-in ends isn't relevant to the rule.
3. The rule/case play does not say PC must be established in the FC. It says there must be team control and the ball needs to have FC status.

[tref]

See post #10 gents.

I think we will have to officiate based on Intent & Purpose vs. Rules/Case Plays in some situations. NFHS basically said nothing else was meant to be changed since last season, except there is now t/c on a throw-in.

For me, once an OOB t/c throw-in legally ends, p/c re-establishes t/c inbounds.
If you think about it, we arent chopping in time & the shot clock (where used) will not start until the ball is legally touched so why should we be counting 3 seconds with a stopped clock?

[Adam]

I'm not discussing how it should be called. The committee was clear on their intent. I'm addressing the rule as written, along with a couple if misconceptions. Fast forward about fifteen years when the stated intent has faded from memory, if they don't change the rule to match the intent, you're going to see a lot of officials get this wrong when trying to apply the "rules as written."

[tref]

No doubt Snaqs! They should get it right in a couple more seasons.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by tref

No doubt Snaqs! They should get it right in a couple more seasons.

Here's how you get it right. Remove ALL of the stupid changes to team control. Then add ONE line to the definition of "Team Control Foul". . .

or during the period of time beginning with the start of the throw-in through the establishment of player control by any player.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Here's how you get it right. Remove ALL of the stupid changes to team control. Then add ONE line to the definition of "Team Control Foul". . .

Great idea. You should apply to be the new secretary / rules editor.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Great idea. You should apply to be the new secretary / rules editor.

Yeah, but he is not as cute as our former NFHS Rules Editor was. Oink!! Oink!!

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

See post #10 gents.

I think we will have to officiate based on Intent & Purpose vs. Rules/Case Plays in some situations. NFHS basically said nothing else was meant to be changed since last season, except there is now t/c on a throw-in.

For me, once an OOB t/c throw-in legally ends, p/c re-establishes t/c inbounds. If you think about it, we arent chopping in time & the shot clock (where used) will not start until the ball is legally touched so why should we be counting 3 seconds with a stopped clock?

So if B1 tips the throw-in and during the loose ball A2 fouls B2 it's not a T/C foul? By your bolded statement that would be the ruling. Is that the intent of the rule?

[tref]

I thought we were discussing when the counts for violations begin... if we're talking fouls, everything is t/c during the throw-in & up until a change of possession, try or the ball becoming dead.