Mechanics

[BktBallRef]

Signal 18 is approved to cover all those situations. It's not necessary to list every single usage in the signal table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Signal 18 is approved to cover all those situations. It's not necessary to list every single usage in the signal table.

Agree in practice, but how about a citation? Why does the NCAA signal cover all delayed violations, whereas, the NFHS, and IAABO signals, only seem to cover, as written, one specific violation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree in practice, but how about a citation? Why does the NCAA signal cover all delayed violations, whereas, the NFHS, and IAABO signals, only seem to cover one specific violation?

You really need all situations to be covered in detail? I am sure it is a clerical issue more than anything......seriously!!!

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sure it is a clerical issue more than anything.

And I agree 100% with your statement. Which means that this should be very easy for the NFHS, or IAABO, to fix. How hard would it be to change “Delayed Lane Violation” to “Delayed Dead Ball: Withheld Whistle”?

I recently served on my local board's training committee, and had a rookie official ask me if it was necessary to give a signal for disconcertion. I pointed him to the IAABO mechanics manual to discover that there was no such signal, by the book, so he should just use the “Delayed Lane Violation” signal, as all of us have been doing for more than twenty-five years. That's when I discovered this odd "error". It should be an easy fix.

[JRutledge]

Billy,

With all due respect I have never heard anyone claim this was an issue but you. I do not think it matters what they call it, the signal is obviously used for FT delay situations and all of them that apply. Why you need it spelled out in the chart in detail is really beyond me.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why you need it spelled out in the chart in detail is really beyond me.

Hey. I'm a details kind of guy. I'm an environmental chemist by trade. I have to be this way, or people may drink contaminated water, and then they get sick, possibly die, and then I get fired.

The lack of a disconcertion signal in the IAABO manual confused a rookie, I noted that "oversight" in the IAABO manual, and it can be easily fixed.

My local interpreter will discuss this in a few weeks at the IAABO Fall Seminar. If IAABO International feels the same way as JRutledge does, and doesn't see the need for a change, then my interpreter may bring it up to our state interpreter, who may "approve" it for use in Connecticut, like the “Shooter Has Foot Touching Three Point Line” signal that we already use in Connecticut, even though it's not approved by IAABO.

Was the NCAA signal ever labeled, “Delayed Lane Violation”, and then changed, or has it always been labeled, “Delayed Dead Ball: Withheld Whistle”?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hey. I'm a details kind of guy. I'm an environmental chemist by trade. I have to be this way, or people may drink contaminated water, and then they get sick, possibly die, and then I get fired.

The lack of a disconcertion signal in the IAABO manual confused a rookie, I noted that "oversight" in the IAABO manual, and it can be easily fixed.

My local interpreter will discuss this in a few weeks at the IAABO Fall Seminar. If IAABO International feels the same way as JRutledge does, and doesn't see the need for a change, then my interpreter may bring it up to our state interpreter, who may "approve" it for use in Connecticut, like the “Shooter Has Foot Touching Three Point Line” signal that we already use in Connecticut, even though it's not approved by IAABO.

Was the NCAA signal ever labeled, “Delayed Lane Violation”, and then changed, or has it always been labeled, “Delayed Dead Ball: Withheld Whistle”?

You tell the rookie that the signal is the same for all of those types of situations and move on. Rookies ask a lot of question about things that are irrelevant in the bigger picture. They do not know any better and this should not surprise you. And if a rookie cannot figure out that not every level has the same signals or wording for the signal, then they really need to get over it soon. There are bigger fish to fry and who cares what the signal is actually called if the same result takes place?

Peace