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[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Both sides do.

Peace

Yup & hopefully HS will pick it up soon! I've used it as a preliminary (when needed) but I use the approved signal at the table while vocalizing the hit to the head.

Funny how people are so against The League, but the things they do are eventually picked up at other levels

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Yup & hopefully HS will pick it up soon! I've used it as a preliminary (when needed) but I use the approved signal at the table while vocalizing the hit to the head.

Funny how people are so against The League, but the things they do are eventually picked up at other levels

I wish the NF would pick up other signals rather than this one. There are others that are better to describe a foul. Hit to the head is minimal issue to me.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Here are some non approved signals that we are considering here in IAABO Connecticut:

Change “Delayed Lane Violation” to “Delayed Dead Ball: Withheld Whistle” to allow for delayed free throw violations that do not involve a lane violation, i.e. disconcertion, or three point arc violation.



Add supplemental “Intentional Foul: Excessive Contact” signal.



Add “Shooter Has Foot Touching Three Point Line” signal. We already use this signal in Connecticut, but it's not approved by IAABO.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here are some non approved signals that we are considering here in IAABO Connecticut:

Change “Delayed Lane Violation” to “Delayed Dead Ball: Withheld Whistle” to allow for delayed free throw violations that do not involve a lane violation, i.e. disconcertion, or three point arc violation.

That's not a change in signal. You're just changing the name of the signal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's not a change in signal. You're just changing the name of the signal.

Right now there is no delayed call signal for disconcertion, or a player passing the three point arc too early. The present IAABO signal just covers a delayed call for a lane violation. Is this also true for the NFHS signal?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Right now there is no delayed call signal for disconcertion, or a player passing the three point arc too early. The present IAABO signal just covers a delayed call for a lane violation. Is this also true for the NFHS signal?

Signal #18 is for delayed lane violations. I know that might not technically be correct, but that is what the signal is clearly used for on plays you just stated it is not approved. That is semantics as these violations are clearly delayed.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Signal #18 is for delayed lane violations. I know that might not technically be correct, but that is what the signal is clearly used for on plays you just stated it is not approved. That is semantics as these violations are clearly delayed.

I believe that the NCAA has the “Delayed Dead Ball: Withheld Whistle” signal, why can't the NFHS, or IAABO? Technically, a player disconcerting, or a player breaking the plane of the three point arc, is not violating the "lane".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I wish the NF would pick up other signals rather than this one.

Examples ???

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Examples ???

I would not mind if we could use these signals.

Fouls:
Hook/wrap
Trip (Same as kicked ball)
Knee
Excessive Contact (Intentional Foul)

Communication:
Tipped
Directional signal

Peace

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not mind if we could use these signals.

Fouls:
Hook/wrap
Trip (Same as kicked ball)
Knee
Excessive Contact (Intentional Foul)

Communication:
Tipped
Directional signal

Peace

I wouldn't mind the trip, tipped, and directional signal. The hook/wrap IMO is a hold and can be signaled accordingly. The knee, maybe. But I don't want to look like the Karate Kid and his crow kick or whatever it is called when I make the signal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I wouldn't mind the trip, tipped, and directional signal. The hook/wrap IMO is a hold and can be signaled accordingly. The knee, maybe. But I don't want to look like the Karate Kid and his crow kick or whatever it is called when I make the signal.

The hook is the main one I would want because that happens often in the post and when called no one seems to understand how a hold took place with someone's behind them. I think it is a better description of that particular foul. The others might not be used hardly at all, but when they happen I have no idea sometimes what to signal in the heat of the moment.

Peace

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The hook is the main one I would want because that happens often in the post and when called no one seems to understand how a hold took place with someone's behind them. I think it is a better description of that particular foul. The others might not be used hardly at all, but when they happen I have no idea sometimes what to signal in the heat of the moment.

Peace

Sorry I miss understood, you were meaning an offensive hook. I have no problem with that then. I signal it on the few times I have had this happen after giving a hold signal (bc that is what one assignor wants).

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not mind if we could use these signals.

Fouls:
Hook/wrap
Trip (Same as kicked ball)
Knee
Excessive Contact (Intentional Foul)

Communication:
Tipped
Directional signal

Peace

I would like to see those additions as well. We should be able to supply detailed information... What's so terrible about that?

The basic hold signal for an off/def hook doesn't exactly tell the tale.

Do you all only use the approved forearm hit signal or do you show where the player was hit (elbow hit, arm/shoulder, etc)??

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tref

Do you all only use the approved forearm hit signal or do you show where the player was hit (elbow hit, arm/shoulder, etc)??

The former. Billy's "Land of Steady Habits" also exists here in the northeast corner. Our signals are by the book, though I like some of Rut's suggestions.

Ultimately, signals are about communication with everyone in the gym. If the current lot doesn't get the job done effectively, I see no problem in lobbying for a few more.

I signaled a tripping foul in a soccer game I did last week (even though such signals are optional in soccer). No way could I do such a thing in basketball, so it felt pretty good (although I'm sure the tripped player might disagree).