Another Play

[bob jenkins]

I think the original T was too demonstrative and the official shouldn't have pointed the coach back to the bench.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think the original T was too demonstrative and the official shouldn't have pointed the coach back to the bench.

If this happened in the first 2 minutes of the game, or as a general rule, I'd agree. Part of the trouble of assessing these situations is we don't know what's gone on with this coach previously in the game: a gesture might have been warranted.

[Pantherdreams]

Hard to see how much contact happens on the shooter though they don't appear all that impeded. Patient whistle sees him make this shot and inclines me to thinking I could see no calling this. But the calling official as a much better angle on how and to what degree contact is happening then the camera.

Assuming some magical phrases are being issued by the coach I'm ok with all officials reactions post call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Hard to see how much contact happens on the shooter though they don't appear all that impeded. Patient whistle sees him make this shot and inclines me to thinking I could see no calling this. But the calling official as a much better angle on how and to what degree contact is happening then the camera.

But he called a charge, not a block.

From the angle we have, I don't like the call. It doesn't appear the shooter when through the defender at all. Most of his body is visible past the defender before the defender moves. I would have not call on this if I were calling the play. It looks more like the defender has round heels than he was fouled.

As for the post foul, stuff. Good first T. Good job on the partner trying to bring the coach back to the game (except for the physical contact). Second T looked reasonable, maybe a little quick but I don't know what was said. If he'd held off a couple of seconds and the coach continued, everyone in the building would have been expecting the 2nd one.

[Brick43]

Watch the video again. It looks like the coach bumps the official as the ref walks by.
And that is an automatic 2nd T. And whether the call was right or wrong there is no place for that...

[APG]

Originally Posted by Brick43

Watch the video again. It looks like the coach bumps the official as the ref walks by.
And that is an automatic 2nd T. And whether the call was right or wrong there is no place for that...

I don't see any bump at all.

[Brick43]

16-17 seconds in watch the ref's left shoulder. Coach hands in pocket bumps with his right side just as the ref gets past. Looks pretty clear to me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't see any bump at all.

Nor do I.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by Brick43

Watch the video again. It looks like the coach bumps the official as the ref walks by.
And that is an automatic 2nd T. And whether the call was right or wrong there is no place for that...

If that's the case then I am alright with the 2nd T coming from the same official. Otherwise get the heck out and turn your back. Try to let another official have at it, but sometimes some actions are automatic and regardless of who threw the 1st, somebody needs to have the 2nd.

On the original call, in my conferences we are always asked "was the defense affected?" If a defensive player is in a defensive posture and there is contact, it is different than a player just standing there looking to take a charge and there being contact on the shoulder. If it's in the torso it is automatic, but on the shoulder the defensive usually needs to be in a defensive posture actually "playing" the play. It looked from the camera angle that the defensive player threw his left shoulder towards the offensive player for contact and not actually playing defense.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think the original T was too demonstrative and the official shouldn't have pointed the coach back to the bench.

Bob:

He may have thought that he was officiating at the Staples Center and not in Bakersfield.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

He may have thought that he was officiating at the Staples Center and not in Bakersfield.

MTD, Sr.

He's done that and more.

[Toren]

Who is watching players while all three officials were within 10 feet of each other? Perfect opportunity for some smart mouth kid to give a quick elbow or a cheap shot to someone, and then nobody sees it. This had disaster written all over it.

From my view, I thought defender's upper body moved into the offensive player. I have a block call. But I like where the lead's position is and I don't mind him going charge, he definitely might have seen more and was in a great angle to see the whole play.

I think the Technical was warranted as the coach was definitely demonstrative enough to earn it. I felt the referees' line to the reporting area did not help the situation. To my eye the second technical might have been averted had he taken a better line to the reporting area. With that said, when a coach touches him, he earned his second no question.

[tref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

He's done that and more.

And it shows!