Make The Call

[APG]

I don't see how FIBA deems this to be a charging foul. It looked quite obvious to me that the defenders slide into the path after the offensive player was airborne. In reality, I would have had a no call on the play but definitely not a charge.

Also, does this call deserve a whistle from the slot or trail? It appears in the clip that the lead was in the best position to see the lateral movement of the defenders and passed on the contact (IMO rightfully so).

[Camron Rust]

If you listen to the description in the video, they consider position to be obtained when a defender has both feet in position, not when the bodies finish moving. In that case, they were there before the offensive player left the floor. The remaining lateral movement didn't include foot movement but the straightening of the bodies.

In the US, I don't think anyone interprets position like that. We usually look to see if the defender had their torso in the path AND both fee on the floor.....making this a block.

[APG]

You may be right Camron...I always assumed that guarding rules in FIBA were the same as NF/NCAA save for the newly implemented restricted area (which is actually different than the NBA's rule).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You may be right Camron...I always assumed that guarding rules in FIBA were the same as NF/NCAA save for the newly implemented restricted area (which is actually different than the NBA's rule).

It may not be that the rules are different, just some nuances of interpretation. Exactly when are they in position. It is a dynamic game and there vs. not there is never an exact science.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It may not be that the rules are different, just some nuances of interpretation. Exactly when are they in position. It is a dynamic game and there vs. not there is never an exact science.

Well some agree with the charging call so they're agreeing with the FIBA interpretation...maybe they can explain it better.

[JRutledge]

I got a block. It looks like the player is coming forward when the passer/ball handler is airborne. And that is based on our interpretations here. I do not work FIBA so I do not have to worry about what they think right now.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

In the US, I don't think anyone interprets position like that. We usually look to see if the defender had their torso in the path AND both fee on the floor.....making this a block.

I've always been taught that LGP is obtained by two feet on the floor, facing the opponent. I don't recall ever hearing about a torso criterion.

[APG]

4-23
ART. 2...To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Two feet on the floor and torso facing the defender...if your torso is facing the defender, then invariably your torso must be in the path of the player.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

4-23
ART. 2...To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Two feet on the floor and torso facing the defender...if your torso is facing the defender, then invariably your torso must be in the path of the player.

Not true. I can have two feet on the floor and be facing you from any one of many directions. Only one of those directions is in the path.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not true. I can have two feet on the floor and be facing you from any one of many directions. Only one of those directions is in the path.

Shut up Camron*

*You're right


4-23 Guarding
ART. 1...Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I've always been taught that LGP is obtained by two feet on the floor, facing the opponent. I don't recall ever hearing about a torso criterion.

...and in the path. But exactly what has to be in the path? That is the question. It seems to differ in the FIBA realm vs what is common in the US.

I would not have considered either of those players to have been in the path of the airborne player before the player became airborne. Yes their feet were down, but they hadn't yet occupied the path....there was a clear line in front of the airborne player at the time he jumped.

I may have not called a block, but I don't think they were in position by US standards.