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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:07pm
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Freshman boys game. A1 is OOB for a spot throw in. Heavy defensive pressure, including B1 who is right in front of him. At about 3 in the count, A1 reaches over the line, places a hand on B1's chest, and pushes him back a couple of inches.

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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:10pm
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assuming I have a call
If I make a call I would think intentional. Can't be player control because there is no player control. It certainly is intentional, but darn it, it just wasn't nice of that other boy to play defense right there
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:40pm
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Freshman boys game. A1 is OOB for a spot throw in. Heavy defensive pressure, including B1 who is right in front of him. At about 3 in the count, A1 reaches over the line, places a hand on B1's chest, and pushes him back a couple of inches.

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Intentional foul on A1, IMO.
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:47pm
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I would probably just call a common foul on A1. Same thing as lowering the shoulder or pushing off to catch a pass.
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:53pm
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I would probably just call a common foul on A1. Same thing as lowering the shoulder or pushing off to catch a pass.
I'd have to see it but I'd probably call a common foul too.
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:55pm
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I would say Common Foul.

B1 shots bonus free throws if in the bonus.

(NCAA: No free throws)

It's interesting because if A1 contacts B1 then it can be intentional OR common. If B1 contacts A1 then it can only be intentional (unless the contact is on a part of A1 that is over the court). I guess this is why A1's foul can be common because B1 is on the court.
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I would probably just call a common foul on A1. Same thing as lowering the shoulder or pushing off to catch a pass.

If the tables were reversed it would be an intentional foul, why not here?
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:56pm
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What if . . . you assume that B! in contact with the inbounds portion of the court is considered to part of the court because of his/her contact with the court. Therefore, if A1 touches B1 then he/she is actually now touching inbounds and we then have a violation . . . B's ball? Just thinking out loud . . .

In real time and real life, intentional foul on A1. Shoot and go!
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 01:59pm
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I agree with the foul, but if you didnt think it was enough to call a foul could you not also call a violation? Since B is in bounds, when he touches him is that not the same as putting your foot down in bounds before releasing the ball?

Just a thought
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If the tables were reversed it would be an intentional foul, why not here?
It's an interesting thought, but the tables aren't reversed. Until the rules specify this as an intentional foul, I have to judge it like I would any other. If he's just trying to clear space, it's probably a common foul. If it's something more, I'm not against the X.
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Can't call a violation. If A1 has the ball in bounds and touches B2 who has a foot on the line; it's not a violation.
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 02:27pm
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Freshman boys game. A1 is OOB for a spot throw in. Heavy defensive pressure, including B1 who is right in front of him. At about 3 in the count, A1 reaches over the line, places a hand on B1's chest, and pushes him back a couple of inches.

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Intentional personal foul. That's not a basketball play.
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Intentional personal foul. That's not a basketball play.
I agree. I would only call an intentionaal fould, well at least not call a common foul. A push off trying to get open is much more of basketball play than this.
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 02:38pm
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Intentional personal foul. That's not a basketball play.
Exactly.

Recently, we had a discussion about whether or not a player with the ball can committ an intentional foul. I don't want to hijack the thread, but what do you think?
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Old Wed Jan 17, 2007, 02:43pm
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Exactly.

Recently, we had a discussion about whether or not a player with the ball can committ an intentional foul. I don't want to hijack the thread, but what do you think?
I've called it, so I obviously think it's possible. "Intentional" supercedes "player control."
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