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[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Appears to be the same (but you didn't quote the basic definition of guarding where the key element is located in the NFHS rules). If, in NFHS rules, B5 is not in the path, B5 is not even guarding, much less possessing LGP.

Assuming the video is the official interpretation of being in the spot, it looks like FIBA only requires the feet to be in the spot to have satisfied the part about being in the path where then NFHS requires the body to be in the path.

Here you go:

33.4 Guarding a player who controls the ball
When guarding a player who controls (holding or dribbling) the ball, the elements of
time and distance do not apply.
The player with the ball must expect to be guarded and must be prepared to stop or
change his direction whenever an opponent takes an initial legal guarding position
in front of him, even if this is done within a fraction of a second.
The guarding (defensive) player must establish an initial legal guarding position
without causing contact before taking his position.
Once the defensive player has established an initial legal guarding position, he may
move to guard his opponent, but he may not extend his arms, shoulders, hips or legs
to prevent the dribbler from passing by him.
When judging a charge/block situation involving a player with the ball, an official
shall use the following principles:
 The defensive player must establish an initial legal guarding position by facing
the player with the ball and having both feet on the floor.
 The defensive player may remain stationary, jump vertically, move laterally or
backwards in order to maintain the initial legal guarding position.
 When moving to maintain the initial legal guarding position, one foot or both
feet may be off the floor for an instant, as long as the movement is lateral or
backwards, but not towards the player with the ball.
 Contact must occur on the torso, in which case the defensive player would be
considered as having been at the place of contact first.
 Having established a legal guarding position the defensive player may turn
within his cylinder to avoid injury.
In any of the above situations, the contact shall be considered as having been
caused by the player with the ball.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

For some reason I could not get the video to play on the full screen so I had to watch it on the small screen. That said, first, the definitions of guarding and screening for NFHS, NCAA, and FIBA are identical with the only deference being that the NFHS rules use the word "obtain" when defining a LGP and the NCAA and FIBA rules use the word "establish" which the NFHS use to use also. And every FIBA Casebook Play that I have read regarding legal and illegal contact during guarding and screening situations are consistent with NFHS and NCAA rulings.

Second, as I watched the video I observed the play as if I was the L. From that perspective W1 (the player to the L's left) established a LGP, but W2 (the player to the L's right) did not establish his position on the court until after B1 went airborne, AND it appeared to me that B1 made contact with W2 before making any contact with W1. Therefore W2 committed a blocking foul.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. And I am not making my decision based upon the fact that B1 is wearing the Royal Blue color of the Royal Family of the Kingdom of Italy, .

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

4-23...
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Thanks for that. I've had "two feet on the floor, facing the opponent" in my head, a little incomplete.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

it appeared to me that B1 made contact with W2 before making any contact with W1.

I thought the contact was simultaneous, but I agree that only one of them had LGP.

So, here's a solution: double foul. Team control on one, blocking on the other. Blue ball on the endline (NFHS rule set), let's play. (Have fun explaining it, though.)

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

So, here's a solution: double foul. Team control on one, blocking on the other. Blue ball on the endline (NFHS rule set), let's play. (Have fun explaining it, though.)

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