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Intentional Foul 28 82.35%
Personal Foul 6 17.65%
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 03:11pm
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Slo mo is going to ruin my career. Full speed I have no intentional. It looks like he made a play at the ball and attempted to hold up the player. Then slo-mo it looks worse and I change my mind. I wonder what other decisions in my life I would reconsider if I slowed down the tape? Where's that wedding footage.....?
Use it for what it is worth. Players will make contact in this game and sometimes will look like this. I would just need to see clearer what the other arm was doing and I would feel more confident calling an IF.

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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 04:29pm
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I see this as a play which matches the first line of the definition of an IF.

"personal.......foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position."

The swipe at the ball was an afterthought after the mugging.


As I describe this kind of play to myself: He had no chance to do anything but foul................and he knew it.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 05:54pm
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I see this as a play which matches the first line of the definition of an IF.

"personal.......foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position."

The swipe at the ball was an afterthought after the mugging.


As I describe this kind of play to myself: He had no chance to do anything but foul................and he knew it.
Agreed. There's no attempt to play the ball here. He comes across the upper right arm and pulls him down with his right hand.

And I'd bet the C is telling him he had a left hand full of jersey as well.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 06:22pm
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And I'd bet the C is telling him he had a left hand full of jersey as well.
Looks like both hands to me. I say make the X. The defender was playing the body completely.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 06:38pm
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I see this as a play which matches the first line of the definition of an IF.

"personal.......foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position."

The swipe at the ball was an afterthought after the mugging.


As I describe this kind of play to myself: He had no chance to do anything but foul................and he knew it.
My thoughts exactly... boy, are the commentators some homers!
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 07:32pm
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X all the way. No need to see it on replay or in slow motion.
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