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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 12:03pm
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 01:02pm
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I'm going Block, LGP was not there in my opinion. It would be nice if the restricted area arc was painted, which is finally coming this year

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I'm going Block. It would be nice if the restricted arc was painted, if this was an NCAA game next season.
I don't think the restricted area would be in play here since the arc is 3 ft...a little bit smaller than the NBA's four feet.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 01:09pm
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I don't think the restricted area would be in play here since the arc is 3 ft...a little bit smaller than the NBA's four feet.
Could be right, its difficult to tell from this view.
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Block.

Moving towards and into the shooter after the shooter left the floor.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 01:27pm
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Block. Did not have LGP when the shooter left the floor.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 01:28pm
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Block. Moving towards and into the shooter after the shooter left the floor.
I can't disagree with Camron's call, but the defender getting to his spot, and the shooter becoming airborne, both happen at "about" the same time. Tough call, especially in real time.

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Trail and Lead posotions

So, it appears that this is a two-man crew, as the over-all play is on the camera side of the floor, and the Lead doesn't rotate. The defender that got the call was definitely a secondary defender, and if the Lead were on the camera side of the floor, he may have been able to see the movement of that defender from start to finish.
It's difficult for the Trail, calling official, to watch both the primary defender and the secondary defender on this play. And it appears that having to do so may be the reason for the Charge call.
BTW, IMO, block.
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Old Sun Aug 07, 2011, 03:18pm
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So, it appears that this is a two-man crew, as the over-all play is on the camera side of the floor, and the Lead doesn't rotate. The defender that got the call was definitely a secondary defender, and if the Lead were on the camera side of the floor, he may have been able to see the movement of that defender from start to finish.
It's difficult for the Trail, calling official, to watch both the primary defender and the secondary defender on this play. And it appears that having to do so may be the reason for the Charge call.
BTW, IMO, block.
This was one of my first thoughts on the play...if this was 3-man, then I'd be saying that the lead was too slow to rotate strong side. Even in two-man I tend to do strong-side mechanic quite a bit and might have rotated in this situation. I appears the lead starts to rotate strong side when the ball is in the corner but decides against it when the ball is skipped to the top of the key.

As for the play, I also have a blocking foul...defender got to the spot after the offensive player was airborne.
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I would be more apt to make the call on the intial defender with the arm on the shooter guiding him into the defense while challenging the shot. The play is bang bang in real time. I think it is a block but very close at game speed. Easy call is on the intial defender and avoids dealing with the block/charge in this case.
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I would be more apt to make the call on the intial defender with the arm on the shooter guiding him into the defense while challenging the shot. The play is bang bang in real time. I think it is a block but very close at game speed. Easy call is on the intial defender and avoids dealing with the block/charge in this case.
IMO, that contact is marginal at best. That arm was inconsequential to where the offensive player wanted to go...I'm only calling that if the push is blatant or if the offensive player would have avoided the contact save for a push.
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I can't disagree with Camron's call, but the defender getting to his spot, and the shooter becoming airborne, both happen at "about" the same time. Tough call, especially in real time.

AllPurposeGamer: Nice video. Thanks.
I totally agree on all points Billy.
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It's hard to tell exactly when LGP begins from this angle, because the defender's right foot is eclipsed by #2 Blue's head.
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I totally agree on all points Billy.
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