You make the call!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Having the philosophy that we will make the same call on "similar plays" is a crock, in my opinion. No matter how similar two plays may be, they may still fall on opposite sides of a very fine line. Each must be judged on its own merit.

It might be a crock to you personally, but not to all supervisors.

There is crew consistency. And I know my supervisors don't want to hear a "fine line" explanation for why 49/51, 51/49, or 50/50 plays were called differently on one end of the court as opposed to the other.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

CHARGE!!

MTD, Sr.

[Judtech]

As the contrarian, what about a travel on the initial rebound and dribble out? Then I have nothing till an on the back rebound foul after the shot.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It might be a crock to you personally, but not to all supervisors.

There is crew consistency. And I know my supervisors don't want to hear a "fine line" explanation for why 49/51, 51/49, or 50/50 plays were called differently on one end of the court as opposed to the other.

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

Most people I talk to do get it. So it's not a problem anywhere I work.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

most people i talk to do get it. So it's not a problem anywhere i work.

+1

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

Well I've never seen u work, but it sounds like u r a pure playcaller and not a referee, I'm not trying to be mean or derogatory or attack you, but you have to have a feel for the game imo and all I can say is if a player spins off a guy like that on that end and we have a no call and then a guy on the other end does the same type spin move and the contact looks slightly more than the last play I still think no call is the correct call for consistency of the game. Now that is not to say that you have an obvious off. Foul and then an obvious, blatant block on the other. I can't tell where to draw the line, this job is not black and white at every venture there is plenty of grey and u have to have the ability to feel your particular game out, cause every game is different as we all know.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Most people I talk to do get it. So it's not a problem anywhere I work.

I got lost somewhere, but I have a question. If a play is called wrong at one end, is your supervisor expecting you to call a similar play wrong on the other end?

And...I'm back. I agree, call 50/50 calls with consistency, but a wrong call does not mean we should strive to be consistently wrong for the rest of the game. And you know me, I will have awareness but I may not see a play SDF that you call like I do on a play I have later. Does Donnee still talk about remembering the last 4 calls? I miss basketball on the east coast.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I got lost somewhere, but I have a question. If a play is called wrong at one end, is your supervisor expecting you to call a similar play wrong on the other end?

Definitely not. A wrong call at one end does not mean to make the same bone-headed call at the other. We're talking about those 50/50 plays that could go either way. Everyone has their own judgement, what may be incidental or marginal to one official may be a foul to another. So we have to be on the same page. Most folks like to limit this convo to PC/Block plays, but it applies to a multitude of situations: freedom of movement; hand-checking; contact on the shooter in the paint; rebounding fouls; etc.

Originally Posted by tomegun

And...I'm back. I agree, call 50/50 calls with consistency, but a wrong call does not mean we should strive to be consistently wrong for the rest of the game. And you know me, I will have awareness but I may not see a play SDF that you call like I do on a play I have later. Does Donnee still talk about remembering the last 4 calls? I miss basketball on the east coast.

Haven't been around Donnee as much lately but I do have a local mentor (who happens to be on the Women's side) who preaches that type of knowledge of the game.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Travel?

Good call. But not by Red 55, but rather Red 10 on the defensive rebound. He landed with both feet on the ground.

< fiba video voice >
The left foot is moved to a new point of contact with the floor which establishes the right foot as the pivot foot. The right foot is then lifted before releasing the ball to start a dibble. Travelling violation missed by the officials.
< /fiba video voice >

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good call. But not by Red 55, but rather Red 10 on the defensive rebound. He landed with both feet on the ground.

< fiba video voice >
The left foot is moved to a new point of contact with the floor which establishes the right foot as the pivot foot. The right foot is then lifted before releasing the ball to start a dibble. Travelling violation missed by the officials.
< /fiba video voice >

There was wisdom in reply #33 I think

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

...... all I can say is if a player spins off a guy like that on that end and we have a no call and then a guy on the other end does the same type spin move and the contact looks slightly more than the last play I still think no call is the correct call for consistency of the game.

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

You're thinking WAY too hard on this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You're thinking WAY too hard on this.

I'm thinking about it now, because that's what the thread is about. That's kinda the whole point, I think. You don't think about it. (Is this play similar to that last play or not? hmmmmm) You just make the call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm thinking about it now, because that's what the thread is about. That's kinda the whole point, I think. You don't think about it. (Is this play similar to that last play or not? hmmmmm) You just make the call.

Really? I can see you're a great partner.

I guess in your world everyone has the exact same judgement. Great if you are a one man crew.