You make the call!

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

Well I've never seen u work, but it sounds like u r a pure playcaller and not a referee, I'm not trying to be mean or derogatory or attack you, but you have to have a feel for the game imo and all I can say is if a player spins off a guy like that on that end and we have a no call and then a guy on the other end does the same type spin move and the contact looks slightly more than the last play I still think no call is the correct call for consistency of the game. Now that is not to say that you have an obvious off. Foul and then an obvious, blatant block on the other. I can't tell where to draw the line, this job is not black and white at every venture there is plenty of grey and u have to have the ability to feel your particular game out, cause every game is different as we all know.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

...... all I can say is if a player spins off a guy like that on that end and we have a no call and then a guy on the other end does the same type spin move and the contact looks slightly more than the last play I still think no call is the correct call for consistency of the game.

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

You're thinking WAY too hard on this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You're thinking WAY too hard on this.

I'm thinking about it now, because that's what the thread is about. That's kinda the whole point, I think. You don't think about it. (Is this play similar to that last play or not? hmmmmm) You just make the call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm thinking about it now, because that's what the thread is about. That's kinda the whole point, I think. You don't think about it. (Is this play similar to that last play or not? hmmmmm) You just make the call.

Really? I can see you're a great partner.

I guess in your world everyone has the exact same judgement. Great if you are a one man crew.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

If u don't think there are certain points in games where the last call doesn't matter than your games suffer and I don't believe your officiating realistically. Like I said earlier you have to have a feel for the game. If u believe the contact on the other end is obviously different than the previous end then do what you have to do, but if it isn't and you call the two plays differently then prepare to take crap from, players, coaches, fans and most importantly supervisors for being incosistent when all you really had to do was call them the same and the coach can't say a word when u tell him that. Just my take tho, maybe more than just you disagree with me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

If u don't think there are certain points in games where the last call doesn't matter than your games suffer and I don't believe your officiating realistically. Like I said earlier you have to have a feel for the game. If u believe the contact on the other end is obviously different than the previous end then do what you have to do, but if it isn't and you call the two plays differently then prepare to take crap from, players, coaches, fans and most importantly supervisors for being incosistent when all you really had to do was call them the same and the coach can't say a word when u tell him that. Just my take tho, maybe more than just you disagree with me.

Gotta tell you, I'm not sure what's really all that difficult or controversial about your take. Seems pretty basic and obvious to me. :shrug:

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Gotta tell you, I'm not sure what's really all that difficult or controversial about your take. Seems pretty basic and obvious to me. :shrug:

There is no difficulty or controversy behind what he said because it is basic and obvious to most...but then again so is a blarge administration....

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Gotta tell you, I'm not sure what's really all that difficult or controversial about your take. Seems pretty basic and obvious to me. :shrug:

I think both sides have overstated the obvious. Consistency is obviously one of the most important things we strive for. But, conversely, the next call does not have to be the same as the last call, even though it may seem to be exactly the same to the untrained, often biased observer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think both sides have overstated the obvious. Consistency is obviously one of the most important things we strive for. But, conversely, the next call does not have to be the same as the last call, even though it may seem to be exactly the same to the untrained, often biased observer.

And no one said it did. Only that you should probably take the last call into account. If you think they're sufficiently different, fine, but to simply ignore the history of the individual game is, to quote Ben, "unrealistic."

[tref]

The GAME within the GAME...

Snaqs we gotta work a game together!

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

If u believe the contact on the other end is obviously different than the previous end then do what you have to do....

The only way two calls can be different is if the contact is obviously different?

Obvious to whom?

The only thing obvious about many calls to many observers is "Hey! He called that against us! I don't like it!"

.....but if it isn't and you call the two plays differently then prepare to take crap.....

If one isn't prepared to take crap, I suggest one should consider another pastime.

coach can't say a word when u tell him that.

What can he say anyway?

"That's the same play you called against us on the other end!"

"Nah, but it was similar."