You make the call!

[btaylor64]

I like the no call

[Jeremy Hohn]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I like the no call

Another vote for no call. It didn't seem that he displaced the defender to that degree, and his movement went back away from the defender rotating toward the goal.

As others have stated, if you had a similar play called a PC foul earlier, then get that one to "Mirror plays" for your crew.

[just another ref]

Having the philosophy that we will make the same call on "similar plays" is a crock, in my opinion. No matter how similar two plays may be, they may still fall on opposite sides of a very fine line. Each must be judged on its own merit.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Having the philosophy that we will make the same call on "similar plays" is a crock, in my opinion. No matter how similar two plays may be, they may still fall on opposite sides of a very fine line. Each must be judged on its own merit.

It might be a crock to you personally, but not to all supervisors.

There is crew consistency. And I know my supervisors don't want to hear a "fine line" explanation for why 49/51, 51/49, or 50/50 plays were called differently on one end of the court as opposed to the other.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It might be a crock to you personally, but not to all supervisors.

There is crew consistency. And I know my supervisors don't want to hear a "fine line" explanation for why 49/51, 51/49, or 50/50 plays were called differently on one end of the court as opposed to the other.

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

Most people I talk to do get it. So it's not a problem anywhere I work.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

most people i talk to do get it. So it's not a problem anywhere i work.

+1

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Most people I talk to do get it. So it's not a problem anywhere I work.

I got lost somewhere, but I have a question. If a play is called wrong at one end, is your supervisor expecting you to call a similar play wrong on the other end?

And...I'm back. I agree, call 50/50 calls with consistency, but a wrong call does not mean we should strive to be consistently wrong for the rest of the game. And you know me, I will have awareness but I may not see a play SDF that you call like I do on a play I have later. Does Donnee still talk about remembering the last 4 calls? I miss basketball on the east coast.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I got lost somewhere, but I have a question. If a play is called wrong at one end, is your supervisor expecting you to call a similar play wrong on the other end?

Definitely not. A wrong call at one end does not mean to make the same bone-headed call at the other. We're talking about those 50/50 plays that could go either way. Everyone has their own judgement, what may be incidental or marginal to one official may be a foul to another. So we have to be on the same page. Most folks like to limit this convo to PC/Block plays, but it applies to a multitude of situations: freedom of movement; hand-checking; contact on the shooter in the paint; rebounding fouls; etc.

Originally Posted by tomegun

And...I'm back. I agree, call 50/50 calls with consistency, but a wrong call does not mean we should strive to be consistently wrong for the rest of the game. And you know me, I will have awareness but I may not see a play SDF that you call like I do on a play I have later. Does Donnee still talk about remembering the last 4 calls? I miss basketball on the east coast.

Haven't been around Donnee as much lately but I do have a local mentor (who happens to be on the Women's side) who preaches that type of knowledge of the game.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The explanation is simple. If 49/51 and 51/49 plays are not called differently, then one of them was called wrong.

So where do you and your supervisor draw the line? 52/48? 55/45?

I don't get it.

Well I've never seen u work, but it sounds like u r a pure playcaller and not a referee, I'm not trying to be mean or derogatory or attack you, but you have to have a feel for the game imo and all I can say is if a player spins off a guy like that on that end and we have a no call and then a guy on the other end does the same type spin move and the contact looks slightly more than the last play I still think no call is the correct call for consistency of the game. Now that is not to say that you have an obvious off. Foul and then an obvious, blatant block on the other. I can't tell where to draw the line, this job is not black and white at every venture there is plenty of grey and u have to have the ability to feel your particular game out, cause every game is different as we all know.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

...... all I can say is if a player spins off a guy like that on that end and we have a no call and then a guy on the other end does the same type spin move and the contact looks slightly more than the last play I still think no call is the correct call for consistency of the game.

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

You're thinking WAY too hard on this.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And then if the contact is slightly more......and slightly more.......and slightly more........??


You have to draw a line, on every call.

The last call has zero bearing.

If u don't think there are certain points in games where the last call doesn't matter than your games suffer and I don't believe your officiating realistically. Like I said earlier you have to have a feel for the game. If u believe the contact on the other end is obviously different than the previous end then do what you have to do, but if it isn't and you call the two plays differently then prepare to take crap from, players, coaches, fans and most importantly supervisors for being incosistent when all you really had to do was call them the same and the coach can't say a word when u tell him that. Just my take tho, maybe more than just you disagree with me.

[Judtech]

As the contrarian, what about a travel on the initial rebound and dribble out? Then I have nothing till an on the back rebound foul after the shot.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

CHARGE!!

MTD, Sr.