NCAA - Stop clock on OOB or not?

[NCHSAA]

What is everyone's opinion on raising an arm to stop the clock on an OOB situation under NCAA regulations?

[tref]

I prefer to just point at all levels of play, but my opinion doesnt matter.
As far as the proper mechanics/approved signals go NCAA-W are the only ones that dont have a stop clock on OOB.

[Raymond]

Depends on the type of OOB play.

Bang-bang plays get whistle and point.

Player steps on the line I whistle, point to the spot of the violation, then point the direction.

Run of the mill OOB plays I give the raised opened hand with the whistle followed by the direction.

I forget which way the teams are going I go with whistle, opened hand, and just the color with no point.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I forget which way the teams are going I go with whistle, opened hand, and just the color with no point.

This one marks you as an experienced official: knowing when to work an advanced mechanic outside the book.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am a bald old geezer who has been officiating (both high school and college) longer than a significant percentage of posters on this Board and I have always (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirely) given the stop clock signal each and everytime when it is appropriate: foul, timeout, and violation. When an official fails to give the signal it gives the impression of being lazy. I remember hearing Edgar Cartotto many many times saying that his officials (when he was the Supervisor of Men's and Women's Officials for the NCAA Div. I Northeast Conf.) had better giving the stopped clock signal. The signal tells everybody involved that the clock must be stopped if running.

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am a bald old geezer who has been officiating (both high school and college) longer than a significant percentage of posters on this Board and I have always (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirely) given the stop clock signal each and everytime when it is appropriate: foul, timeout, and violation. When an official fails to give the signal it gives the impression of being lazy. I remember hearing Edgar Cartotto many many times saying that his officials (when he was the Supervisor of Men's and Women's Officials for the NCAA Div. I Northeast Conf.) had better giving the stopped clock signal. The signal tells everybody involved that the clock must be stopped if running.

MTD, Sr.

Let's be honest though. I'm betting the overwhelming majority of timers aren't going off signal but rather hearing the whistle. And even know, at the high levels of college ball and at the pro level, they're using PTS so the clock is going to be stopping automatically 95 percent of the time.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

When an official fails to give the signal it gives the impression of being lazy.

I guess I'm lazy then.

Our local Instructional Chair kind of shrugs about this. He is more concerned with call accuracy and communication.

A shiny turd (I recently heard this myth was proven) is still a turd. A nice stopped clock signal on an inaccurately called play is still a bad call.

YMMV, but locally I...uh, I mean the Instructional Chair is concerned about getting more calls right.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am a bald old geezer who has been officiating (both high school and college) longer than a significant percentage of posters on this Board and I have always (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirely) given the stop clock signal each and everytime when it is appropriate: foul, timeout, and violation. When an official fails to give the signal it gives the impression of being lazy. I remember hearing Edgar Cartotto many many times saying that his officials (when he was the Supervisor of Men's and Women's Officials for the NCAA Div. I Northeast Conf.) had better giving the stopped clock signal. The signal tells everybody involved that the clock must be stopped if running.

MTD, Sr.

MTD -

A Dallas Shirley reference !!!!! You have just moves to the top of my list

in the respect department. Dallas is one of the few officials in the the Hall of

Fame. I remember him at a George Tolliver camp back in 89 or 90. What

a great person.


As far as stopping the clock...... north of the Mason Dixon line it is pretty

much standard. Down in Dixie, all of the NBA wannabees will just point !!!!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Depends on the type of OOB play.

Bang-bang plays get whistle and point.

Player steps on the line I whistle, point to the spot of the violation, then point the direction.

Run of the mill OOB plays I give the raised opened hand with the whistle followed by the direction.

I forget which way the teams are going I go with whistle, opened hand, and just the color with no point.

Do you ever point?

[Raymond]

I forget which way the teams are going I go with whistle, opened hand, and just the color with no point.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Do you ever point?

Only if there is still confusion after my loud yelling of the color, but there never is.

I forgot one other scenario which I do feel I need to work on always providing an open hand, and that's plays where I ask for help. I seem to only do it 50% of the time. I need that to be 100%.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Only if there is still confusion after my loud yelling of the color, but there never is.

I forgot one other scenario which I do feel I need to work on always providing an open hand, and that's plays where I ask for help. I seem to only do it 50% of the time. I need that to be 100%.

BNR, you know me - I'm not really into details - but do you literally have an open hand with open fingers or a hand similar to a salute with the thumb tucked? Just curios...and bored.