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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

What if A2 was fouled while in the act?

Can a non-player commit a personal foul?

[tref]

Exactly... I'm just thinking what if during the block, he knocks down the shooter as well?
But as you pointed out, a personal foul can only be committed by a legal "player".

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Can a non-player commit a personal foul?

A personal foul can only be committed by a player. In this case, the substitute would not be able to commit a personal foul.
However, I think the contact by the substitute is important in determiningwhether the act is unsporting, for the block shot only, or a flagrant, for the illegal contact.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

However, I think the contact by the substitute is important in determiningwhether the act is unsporting, for the block shot only, or a flagrant, for the illegal contact.

I believe coming off the bench to participate in a EOG situation & affecting the opponents opportunity to tie the game, in it & of itself is unsporting.

If flagrant, it would have to be a flagrant personal (live ball) not technical. I dont see merely knocking down a shooter ever being a flagrant foul as it has nothing to do with violent or savage acts.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

If flagrant, it would have to be a flagrant personal (live ball) not technical.

No, bench personnel cannot commit personal fouls. Any foul committed by bench personnel would be technical. If the foul were flagrant, it would be a flagrant technical.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, bench personnel cannot commit personal fouls. Any foul committed by bench personnel would be technical. If the foul were flagrant, it would be a flagrant technical.

I would think that bench personnel coming onto the court and interfering with the play by making contact with a player would be flagrant in just about any case.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

I believe coming off the bench to participate in a EOG situation & affecting the opponents opportunity to tie the game, in it & of itself is unsporting.

If flagrant, it would have to be a flagrant personal (live ball) not technical. I dont see merely knocking down a shooter ever being a flagrant foul as it has nothing to do with violent or savage acts.

Yes, it is a live ball but it is not really a contact foul. Contact fouls are committed by players. ANYTHING a non-player does is a technical foul.

And, it doesn't have to be violent or savage when we're talking about T's...just a extreme or gross unsporting misbehavior.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, it is a live ball but it is not really a contact foul. Contact fouls are committed by players. ANYTHING a non-player does is a technical foul.

And, it doesn't have to be violent or savage when we're talking about T's...just a extreme or gross unsporting misbehavior.

Hmmm. If a bench player enters the game during a live ball, isn't that player now a legal player? 3-3-3

OTOH, once you see that player enter, you've got a dead ball due to a technical foul, and thus any contact after that is dead ball contact and this entire half of the thread is moot.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Hmmm. If a bench player enters the game during a live ball, isn't that player now a legal player? 3-3-3

No, the definition of a player is one of the five team members LEGALLY on the court during playing time. A team member entering illegally wouldn't meet that standard.

What you are referring to is the provision that makes a team member a legal player once the ball becomes live, if there had been some sort of illegal substitution during a dead ball period.

It is two very different situations and 3-3-3 is only applicable to the latter.

[Adam]

It's definitely not written for this situation, and the way it's written leaves some potential holes, IMO.

Situation 1:
Official counts 5 for each team and administers the throw-in. After about 30 seconds of action, A6 commits a PC/charging foul.

Table informs the official that A6 had entered during live play immediately prior to receiving the pass.

Was he a legal player? What sort of foul do you charge?