Foul on Rebound Tip

[jc147119]

A1 has a shot at goal and misses. Ball hits the rim and as A2 attempts to rebound tip the the ball toward the basketball, B2 hits A2's arm. Foul is called. How do you administer the foul. Neither team is in the bonus. Is your answer different for the different leagues of play?

[tref]

All levels of play:

If the official judges that A2 attempted a try/tip when B2 committed the foul, FTs should be shot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

All levels of play:

If the official judges that A2 attempted a try/tip when B2 committed the foul, FTs should be shot.

That's true if A2 has contacted the ball before B2 commits the foul. Otherwise, it's a common foul, no try, A2 gets the ball or FTs depending on the bonus situation.

[Adam]

We've been instructed to give the benefit on these plays to judging the tip to have begun; same thing if the offensive player fouls a defender while attempting the tip.

Not sure I agree, but it's how we've been instructed.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by jc147119

A1 has a shot at goal and misses. Ball hits the rim and as A2 attempts to rebound tip the the ball toward the basketball, B2 hits A2's arm. Foul is called. How do you administer the foul. Neither team is in the bonus. Is your answer different for the different leagues of play?

If the official deems the tip an attempted field goal (which it is in your description), it is a shooting foul.

[jc147119]

Can any tip/tap whilst trying to rebound, truly be a guided attempt at goal? Is the player not just attempting to get the ball and hoping it goes in? This is a tricky judgment call, IMO.

[tref]

Originally Posted by jc147119

Can any tip/tap whilst trying to rebound, truly be a guided attempt at goal? Is the player not just attempting to get the ball and hoping it goes in? This is a tricky judgment call, IMO.

Not if you know definitions... 4-41

Players usually rebound with 2 hands & tap with 1.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jc147119

Can any tip/tap whilst trying to rebound, truly be a guided attempt at goal? Is the player not just attempting to get the ball and hoping it goes in? This is a tricky judgment call, IMO.

Actually it's pretty easy if you have watched enough basketball. Don't overthink it.

[jc147119]

I am asking the question because in the pro game, a foul on the tip is not awarded two shots as it is not deemed a controlled attempt at the basket but in college the benefit of the doubt is give to it being a legitimate attempt at goal. Thanks for all your feedback.

[tref]

Originally Posted by jc147119

I am asking the question because in the pro game, a foul on the tip is not awarded two shots as it is not deemed a controlled attempt at the basket but in college the benefit of the doubt is give to it being a legitimate attempt at goal. Thanks for all your feedback.

Are we talking NBA or some other pro league?
Rules reference/caseplay please...

If a foul happens here:

The only type of field goal which may be scored if the game clock is at :00.2 or :00.1 is a “tip-in” or “high lob.”

are you saying no FTs will be shot?

[APG]

Originally Posted by jc147119

I am asking the question because in the pro game, a foul on the tip is not awarded two shots as it is not deemed a controlled attempt at the basket but in college the benefit of the doubt is give to it being a legitimate attempt at goal. Thanks for all your feedback.

In the NBA, this play is going to be judged the same way. If the foul is before the trip, no basket and simply a loose ball foul. If the ball gets tipped, and then the foul, and the ball goes into the basket, the tipper is going to the line to shoot one. Again, this is all a judgement call.

The term is also used to include the flight of the ball until it becomes dead or is touched by a player. A tap during a jump ball or rebound is not considered a field goal attempt. However, anytime a live ball is in flight toward the rim from the playing court, the goal, if made, shall count, even if time expires or the official’s whistle sounds.

I think there's a difference between a simple tap that you're talking about, and the tip that's a try for goal/FGA. If you have watched basketball for any about of time, it's obvious when a player is tipping the ball to score. A "controlled tip" can be in contact with the hand for a very short period of time, as in the example tref gave you were there's less than .3 on the clock. Other times, it's obvious that a player is just hitting the ball. Here, in the NBA, you'll get your simple loose ball foul unless the ball happens to go in.