Foul on Rebound Tip

[APG]

Originally Posted by jc147119

I am asking the question because in the pro game, a foul on the tip is not awarded two shots as it is not deemed a controlled attempt at the basket but in college the benefit of the doubt is give to it being a legitimate attempt at goal. Thanks for all your feedback.

In the NBA, this play is going to be judged the same way. If the foul is before the trip, no basket and simply a loose ball foul. If the ball gets tipped, and then the foul, and the ball goes into the basket, the tipper is going to the line to shoot one. Again, this is all a judgement call.

The term is also used to include the flight of the ball until it becomes dead or is touched by a player. A tap during a jump ball or rebound is not considered a field goal attempt. However, anytime a live ball is in flight toward the rim from the playing court, the goal, if made, shall count, even if time expires or the official’s whistle sounds.

I think there's a difference between a simple tap that you're talking about, and the tip that's a try for goal/FGA. If you have watched basketball for any about of time, it's obvious when a player is tipping the ball to score. A "controlled tip" can be in contact with the hand for a very short period of time, as in the example tref gave you were there's less than .3 on the clock. Other times, it's obvious that a player is just hitting the ball. Here, in the NBA, you'll get your simple loose ball foul unless the ball happens to go in.

[Multiple Sports]

A tip is a tap is a try ........

I believe it was tref that said know your definitions !!!!!!

Now for you "rules gurus". .02 remaining A1 has ball OTB. He throws the ball towards the basket. A2 gets fouled as he "tips" the ball towards the basket.

Is this a shooting foul or just the bonus if the team is in the bonus??

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

In the NBA, this play is going to be judged the same way. If the foul is before the trip, no basket and simply a loose ball foul. If the ball gets tipped, and then the foul, and the ball goes into the basket, the tipper is going to the line to shoot one. Again, this is all a judgement call.



I think there's a difference between a simple tap that you're talking about, and the tip that's a try for goal/FGA. If you have watched basketball for any about of time, it's obvious when a player is tipping the ball to score. A "controlled tip" can be in contact with the hand for a very short period of time, as in the example tref gave you were there's less than .3 on the clock. Other times, it's obvious that a player is just hitting the ball. Here, in the NBA, you'll get your simple loose ball foul unless the ball happens to go in.

Just want to be clear with the rules (NBA)... If you take your first scenario- it is irrelevant whether the foul occurred prior to or after the tip. If he misses the shot no FTs will be rewarded unless that team is in the penalty. A tip is NOT a try in the NBA... ALTHOUGH if a ball in flight toward the rim goes in you still have to score it.

If the tip happens OBVIOUSLY after the player is fouled and the ball goes in, it will still be a LBF and no shots as the ball was not released or tapped toward the goal as the foul occurred or prior to the foul occurring.

[BillyMac]

Back in the twentieth century, when I started officiating, I believe that there was a difference between a tip and a try. If a player was fouled in the act of tipping the ball, and his team was in the bonus, then he got a one and one (no double bonus back then), if not, no free throws and his team got the ball at the closest spot to the foul. Also, I believe that there was no continuation on a tip, so if the foul occurred before the ball was released on a tip, the ball became dead, and if it went in the basket, then the goal did not count.

I'm sure that one of our "more experienced" esteemed members, or one of our very, very, very, old esteemed members, like Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., will be moseying along shortly to confirm, or deny, this assertation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back in the twentieth century, when I started officiating, I believe that there was a difference between a tip and a try. If a player was fouled in the act of tipping the ball, and his team was in the bonus, then he got a one and one (no double bonus back then), if not, no free throws and his team got the ball at the closest spot to the foul. Also, I believe that there was no continuation on a tip, so if the foul occurred before the ball was released on a tip, the ball became dead, and if it went in the basket, then the goal did not count.

I can't remember what happened if the ball went in if the "tipper" was fouled after tipping, that is, fouled after the ball was released? Count the hoop and give a one and one if in the bonus? Count the hoop and give the ball back to the fouled team if not in the bonus? Damn, these old neurons aren't worth the gray matter that they're packed in.

Where are Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., or Jurassic Referee, when you need them?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can't remember what happened if the ball went in if the "tipper" was fouled after tipping, that is, fouled after the ball was released? Count the hoop and give a one and one if in the bonus? Count the hoop and give the ball back to the fouled team if not in the bonus? Damn, these old neurons aren't worth the gray matter that they're packed in.

Where are Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., or Jurassic Referee, when you need them?

Ball was dead on the foul since only a try/tap extended the live ball due to a foul. No basket, penalize the foul as if the tip never occurred. It was no different than a wild deflection that went in the basket after the horn sounded or a try that bounced on the floor then went in the basket.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Ball was dead on the foul since only a try/tap extended the live ball due to a foul. No basket, penalize the foul as if the tip never occurred. It was no different than a wild deflection that went in the basket after the horn sounded or a try that bounced on the floor then went in the basket.

You are probably correct, but keep in mind that the language was a little different back then. Today we treat a tap the same as a try. Back then, a tap was treated differently than a try. I'm not talking about an uncontrolled tip while going after a rebound that somehow manages to go in the basket. I'm taking about a controlled tap. If the ball didn't come to rest in the tapper's hand, then it wasn't treated the same as a try.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back in the twentieth century, when I started officiating, I believe that there was a difference between a tip and a try. If a player was fouled in the act of tipping the ball, and his team was in the bonus, then he got a one and one (no double bonus back then), if not, no free throws and his team got the ball at the closest spot to the foul. Also, I believe that there was no continuation on a tip, so if the foul occurred before the ball was released on a tip, the ball became dead, and if it went in the basket, then the goal did not count.

I'm sure that one of our "more experienced" esteemed members, or one of our very, very, very, old esteemed members, like Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., will be moseying along shortly to confirm, or deny, this assertation.

That is the way it was before the gap.