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It's essentially the same play as if A1 dunks the ball and then punches B1 on the way back to the floor. Certainly not a PC, definitely doesn't depend on LGP. It's contact by the airborne shooter after the ball is dead. Is it a flagrant personal or a flagrant technical? By rule, it's flagrant personal. Same as in the video, again IMHO. |
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Of course, Rut would T the guy for punching the opponent. He would argue that he's penalizing the thought which entered the player's head just before he struck his opponent or some other such nonsense. |
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In the first the ball is dead following the dunk. Then there is a noncontact unsporting T for the taunt, which becomes an act of fighting when the opponent retaliates with the punch. FIGHTING 4.18.2 SITUATION: A1 dunks over B1 and then taunts B1. B1 retaliates and punches A1. RULING: Both A1 and B1 are charged with a flagrant technical foul for fighting and are disqualified. A1’s action is defined as fighting when the taunting caused B1 to retaliate by fighting. (10-3; 10-3-6c: 10-3-8) In this second one, there is nothing to make the ball dead prior to the first illegal contact, so the fouls are personal. 8.7 SITUATION A: A1 is attempting the second free throw of a two-shot foul. While the second free throw is in flight, A2 and B1 punch each other simultaneously. RULING: Both A2 and B1 are disqualified for fighting. Since this is a double personal foul, no free throws are awarded. The ball is put in play at the point of interruption. If A1's free throw is successful, Team B is awarded a throw-in from anywhere along the end line. If A1's free throw is unsuccessful, the alternating- possession procedure is used. (4-19-8; 6-4-3g; 7-5-3b; 4-36; 10-3-8; 10 Penalty 1c, 8a(1)) DEAD WRONG!!! |
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10-3-8 says, in very simple words, that fighting is a technical foul with no distinction on whether the ball is live or dead or whether there is contact or not. 10-3 Player Technical. Art. 8....Be charged with fighting.4-18 defines fighting and further says that fighting occurs whether there is contact or not and can occur during a live ball or a dead ball.
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What he did was jump/land on him. He purposely made CONTACT with an opponent. This is no different than if he had run over and chest-bumped him, or as Scrapper wrote, punched him. The fact is that you are trying to characterize the action of contacting an opponent as taunting. As an unsporting technical foul BY RULE must be NONCONTACT, that is where you are in error. As for the "that guy" stuff, that is simply you failing to have an intelligent argument, so you resort to a personal insult. How sad. I'm not going to stoop to such tactics. I'll just stick to discussing the rules. PS By my count only one other person echoed that thought, so your "plenty here" statement is also incorrect. |
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On the first page of this thread, I counted 9 people that either alluded to a T or said that they would T Rondo in this case. You came in on this conversation on comment #28 after everyone but one person claimed they would even call a T and that person admitting that they were young and reconsidered their position. And the person that responded right after you also said he would T the Rondo. Again if anyone has made this conversation personal it has been you. I have not seen you respond to anyone else and telling them they are wrong or tell those they need to know the rules or what they should do. I guess I am that powerful that I have that much influence on other grown people that have been officiating for some time to tell them what they should say about this play. Peace
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All 9 of those came before I was pointed out he was still an airborne shooter, which changed the whole direction of this thread pretty significantly. Count the ones after page one and you will see Nevada has a pretty good following.
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You act as if it were a fact that he was an airborne shooter. Once he converted the ring to a chin-up bar, that time was passed.
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I can also find no rule or case that says that taunting must be free of contact.
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DEAD-BALL LIVE-BALL FOULS 4.19.14 SITUATION: What type of foul is committed when: (a) during a deadball period A1 taunts B1; (b) B1 crosses the end line and fouls thrower A1; (c) immediately after the ball passes through the basket, airborne shooter A1 fouls B1; or (d) B1 reaches through the end-line boundary and slaps the ball from the hands of thrower A1. RULING: It is an unsporting technical foul in (a) and an intentional personal foul in (b). There is no score in (c), as A1 has committed a player-control foul. The foul in (d) is a technical foul charged to B1. According to the definiton provided in 4-19-14 an unsporting technical foul is NONcontact, so the taunt has to be free of contact. |
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