Notice NCAA tournament blatant disregard for 6-foot closely guarded distance?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.

It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.

I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.

+1

It's another tool to be used when needed. Informational signal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Informational signal.

Optional signal in the IAABO Manual. Mandatory here in the Constitution State.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Optional signal in the IAABO Manual. Mandatory here in the Constitution State.

Signal #12 in the NFHS rule book.

Stoopid IAABO monkeys want to make up their own damn rules.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Signal #12 in the NFHS rule book.

Stoopid IAABO monkeys want to make up their own damn rules.....

Is it not optional in NFHS? If not, do you use it every time a player has the ball in the FC without a defender within 6 feet?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

You don't believe in using official signals?

That's signal #12 in the NFHS rule book, in case you didn't know. Don't you think they maybe put it in the rule book for a reason?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You don't believe in using official signals?

That's signal #12 in the NFHS rule book, in case you didn't know. Don't you think they maybe put it in the rule book for a reason?

You know what they say about old dogs and new tricks?

They're worth one in the hand.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You don't believe in using official signals?

That's signal #12 in the NFHS rule book, in case you didn't know. Don't you think they maybe put it in the rule book for a reason?

JR:

It is a needless (and stupid mechanic/signal). The question should be asked is: Why did the NCAA Men's/Women's Rules Committee adopt such a mechanic/signal?

The answer: Coaches complained that officials were not calling CGS violations when they (coaches) thought the violation should be called. In fact, the coaches thought that officials were not even payiing attention to the rule. Sooooooo, the Rules Committee adopted a mechanic/signal that officials could use to say to coaches: "See Coach, I am looking for CGS violations but there is no CGS right now." Finally, the NFHS adopted the mechanic/signal based upon the same logic that the NCAA used.

Apparentlly, coaches do not understand the concept if an official has nothing until something happens. Thus, the adoption of the mechanic/signal, first by the NCAA and then by the NFHS.

When evaluating officials, I could care less whether the official using the signal. And I am officating I do not feel the need to use it because if I am not using a visible count it means that a CGS does not exist. And that is why I tell a HC when he asks me.

MTD, Jr., knows not to use the signal, because if he does he has to walk home from the game.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

MTD, Sr.

But, no signal could mean (1) You have nothing, or (2) You're not paying attention. The signal tells the coach it's the former.

(Not that anyone here would ever be guilty of the latter. The signal is needed because of all the other officials out there.)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But, no signal could mean (1) You have nothing, or (2) You're not paying attention. The signal tells the coach it's the former.

(Not that anyone here would ever be guilty of the latter. The signal is needed because of all the other officials out there.)

The fact that the NFHS and NCAA has a signal for officials to use to say it is the former and not the latter is a sad commentary on basketball officiating.

I do my job, just like all of the other many esteemed officials who contribute to this Fourm on a regular basis, meaning, if I am not giving a visible count, I do not have a CGS.

The logic behind this signal is STUPID! Emphasis to officials that they need to get their heads out of their a$$e$ and officiate the game, and stop looking for cute moms in the stands, .

And now for something completely different. Yesterday I had my first rainout of the season.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The fact that the NFHS and NCAA has a signal for officials to use to say it is the former and not the latter is a sad commentary on basketball officiating.

You know what is really a sad commentary on basketball officiating? You teaching your son the same antiquated, hide-bound conventions that you learned 30 years ago. Why not just let the kid form his own opinion of what should be done in today's game?

The game is constantly changing, Mark. Even the dinosaurs should try to make at least some kind of attempt to keep up with it.

JMO

[Adam]

I say we just take the dinosaurs and make more oil.