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The Spread Arms Mechanic
The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.

When I first learned the profession of officiating basketball (in the ancient days), the first thing I was taught is that you have nothing until you have something.

If an official is waving his arm in a counting manner it means that he does have a Closely Guarded Situation; if he is NOT waving his arm in a counting manner it means that he does NOT have a Closely Guarded Situation.

I have not ever used the signal in all of my years as a college and high school official. I remember the first year the the NCAA Men's/Women's Committee adopted the mechanic. I was officaiting a women's game and a HC wanted a Five Second call and during a TO wanted to know why I didn't spread my arms to show I didn't have a CGS. I told him that I visually count when I have CGS. If I don't have a CGS I won't be spreading my arms because I don't need to be visually counting. He gave me the deer caught in the headlights look and then the light bulb went on in his head (I don;t know who turned it on because nobody was home, LOL), and the replied that he understood what I was saying, which was as scarey thought.

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When I first learned the profession of officiating basketball (in the ancient days), the first thing I was taught is that you have nothing until you have something.

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That goes for every no call/call
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That goes for every no call/call
Yep, the same concept applies to the incipid foul-tip mechanic on blocked shots.
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Yep, the same concept applies to the incipid foul-tip mechanic on blocked shots.

Everytime I have a partner do that I ask him of he umpires baseball or softball? When he asks why I ask him if the catcher caught the ball for a foul tip. LOL

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I am late to this thread.
So what else is new?
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The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.
It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.
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It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.
I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.
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I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.
I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.
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I am late to this thread but:

NFHS and NCAA Men's: six (6) feet while dribbling or holding the ball in the Front Court (FC).

FIBA and NCAA Women's: three (3) feet while holding the ball anywhere on the Playing Court (both Front and Back Court). Note: BC = Back Court.

The NCAA Women's rule was a FIBA adoption holdover from the NAGWS Rules. FIBA has continued to have the rule apply to the entire Playing Court even after it adopted the Ten Second Backcourt Rule (subsequently reduced to eight seconds when the NBA/WNBA went to eight seconds); the Ten/Eight Second Back Rule is a fairly recent adoption by FIBA.

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So in FIBA you can have 2 different counts going on at one time
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So in FIBA you can have 2 different counts going on at one time
I believe FIBA games use a shot clock and use that for the backcourt count.
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I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.
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It's another tool to be used when needed. Informational signal.
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Informational signal.


Optional signal in the IAABO Manual. Mandatory here in the Constitution State.
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So in FIBA you can have 2 different counts going on at one time

Yes.

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It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

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Yes, and also in NCAA Women's.

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What 2 simultaneous counts could one official have in NCAA-W?
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