Notice NCAA tournament blatant disregard for 6-foot closely guarded distance?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by rfp

I've noticed repeatedly that in order to maintain the closely guarded count, the defender has to be almost on top of the offensive player. If he's 4-6' away, officials almost exclusively give the "safe" sign. Seems like no one has any interest in adhering to this rule.

Plus, isn't the rule three feet, not six feet anyways?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Plus, isn't the rule three feet, not six feet anyways?

NCAAW or NCAAM ???

[tref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NCAAW or NCAAM ???

While holding the ball in f/c or b/c.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NCAAW or NCAAM ???

I am late to this thread but:

NFHS and NCAA Men's: six (6) feet while dribbling or holding the ball in the Front Court (FC).

FIBA and NCAA Women's: three (3) feet while holding the ball anywhere on the Playing Court (both Front and Back Court). Note: BC = Back Court.

The NCAA Women's rule was a FIBA adoption holdover from the NAGWS Rules. FIBA has continued to have the rule apply to the entire Playing Court even after it adopted the Ten Second Backcourt Rule (subsequently reduced to eight seconds when the NBA/WNBA went to eight seconds); the Ten/Eight Second Back Rule is a fairly recent adoption by FIBA.

Regarding both NFHS and NCAA Men's I would rather see the rule be three feet while holding the ball only in the FC.

MTD, Sr.


History Lesson: NAGWS stands for the National Association for Girls and Women in Sports. This organization still exists and use to right the rules for many sports played by girls and women at the high school and college level. The NAGWS Basketball Rules were the precurser to the NCAA Women's Basketball Rules Committee.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.

When I first learned the profession of officiating basketball (in the ancient days), the first thing I was taught is that you have nothing until you have something.

If an official is waving his arm in a counting manner it means that he does have a Closely Guarded Situation; if he is NOT waving his arm in a counting manner it means that he does NOT have a Closely Guarded Situation.

I have not ever used the signal in all of my years as a college and high school official. I remember the first year the the NCAA Men's/Women's Committee adopted the mechanic. I was officaiting a women's game and a HC wanted a Five Second call and during a TO wanted to know why I didn't spread my arms to show I didn't have a CGS. I told him that I visually count when I have CGS. If I don't have a CGS I won't be spreading my arms because I don't need to be visually counting. He gave me the deer caught in the headlights look and then the light bulb went on in his head (I don;t know who turned it on because nobody was home, LOL), and the replied that he understood what I was saying, which was as scarey thought.

MTD, Sr.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

When I first learned the profession of officiating basketball (in the ancient days), the first thing I was taught is that you have nothing until you have something.

MTD, Sr.

That goes for every no call/call

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

That goes for every no call/call

Yep, the same concept applies to the incipid foul-tip mechanic on blocked shots.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, the same concept applies to the incipid foul-tip mechanic on blocked shots.

Everytime I have a partner do that I ask him of he umpires baseball or softball? When he asks why I ask him if the catcher caught the ball for a foul tip. LOL

MTD, Sr.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The Spread Arms Mechanic is the dumbest mechanic/signal in all of sports.

It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't have a problem with it so much as I see no real need for it. Have I used it? Yeah, when the defender was standing 6.1 feet away from the ball handler.

I like the signal...tells that coach that "Yes, you're defender is attempting to get a count and I see that, but in my opinion he's not close enough." A simple signal that takes all of one second, that can take care of a potential problem with a coach.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It's a mechanic to convey information and I see absolutely no problem with it.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

You don't believe in using official signals?

That's signal #12 in the NFHS rule book, in case you didn't know. Don't you think they maybe put it in the rule book for a reason?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As I said before, you have nothing until you have something and if I am not doing anything it means I have nothing. Pretty easy way to convey information if you ask me.

MTD, Sr.

But, no signal could mean (1) You have nothing, or (2) You're not paying attention. The signal tells the coach it's the former.

(Not that anyone here would ever be guilty of the latter. The signal is needed because of all the other officials out there.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am late to this thread.

So what else is new?