New Rule Survey

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed on both.

It seems the kids are really encouraged to lie on this. Either require docs, or just let it go and regulate the colors. I'd rather see the rule make them conform to T-shirt standards, but I'd be ok with head/wrist band standards.

I'm sure the manufacturers have poured in money to the coffers of the Fed, so they won't get banned. They look dorky and I'm sure they don't increase FT percentages.

[chseagle]

Clock stops on a successful field goal a minute remains in the 4th quarter or OT.

I can imagine the number of timing errors happening cause of this during the first year or two of implementation.

I whole-heartedly agree that the game needs to be played in halves instead of quarters, as the game seems to go faster.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Shooting sleeve rule as is is farcical. We KNOW it is not for medical reasons.

Tendonitis Ref.....

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Clock stops on a successful field goal a minute remains in the 4th quarter or OT.

I can imagine the number of timing errors happening cause of this during the first year or two of implementation.

I was thinking about the same thing. Like the shot clock, I'm just not convinced it is something needed at the high school level. Besides, it seems to me that the Fed (in several sports) has been reluctant to implement rules that are only in effect at certain times of the game. Different sport, but The Fed has also resisted adopting any kind of rules that the NFL and NCAA Football have for timing in the last two minutes of the half, I would be surprised if they deviated from that here.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I was thinking about the same thing. Like the shot clock, I'm just not convinced it is something needed at the high school level. Besides, it seems to me that the Fed (in several sports) has been reluctant to implement rules that are only in effect at certain times of the game. Different sport, but The Fed has also resisted adopting any kind of rules that the NFL and NCAA Football have for timing in the last two minutes of the half, I would be surprised if they deviated from that here.

I think it penalizes the team in the lead. It will NOT stop fouling. It actually gives the team behind MORE chances to foul after they make a basket late in the game.

[CoachP]

I do not have any issue with the rules as written, so the only one in the poll I'd like to see is AT LEAST a 20 second interval to rectify a blood incident. Why penalize a A1 for needing a clean up and a band aid because of a B2 foul? I have to burn a TO now. We get that courtesy on a foul out....

One thing NOT on the poll that I'd like to see is ending lane participant restrictions when the ball hits the rim/backboard on the last FT attempt. Make it on the release like NCAA. Maybe next year.......

[26 Year Gap]

Although I support the 20 second interval, I cannot imagine a player having time to leave the visual confines and change jerseys and be back ready to play in 20 seconds. Rare to see the same jersey remain in the game.

I see Coach P's point though, if the jersey is clean.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Welpe

it seems to me that the Fed (in several sports) has been reluctant to implement rules that are only in effect at certain times of the game.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. The rules should not change just because we're in some arbitrary time frame.

What really is the point of stopping the clock after the made basket anyway? I think it's so that the team that is ahead can't hold the ball out of bounds while the clock runs out to end the game. If that's the case, why don't we just make the rule to stop the clock on a made basket in the last 5 seconds of the game?

What makes those seconds after a made basket so much more precious in the last 60 seconds than in the previous 31 minutes? Dumb rule, IMHO, at all levels.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What really is the point of stopping the clock after the made basket anyway? I think it's so that the team that is ahead can't hold the ball out of bounds while the clock runs out to end the game. If that's the case, why don't we just make the rule to stop the clock on a made basket in the last 5 seconds of the game?

What makes those seconds after a made basket so much more precious in the last 60 seconds than in the previous 31 minutes? Dumb rule, IMHO, at all levels.

IMO, it helps also with officials that count slow and where they allow the team time for the thrower to get the ball and go out of bounds. Some officials 5 second count actually takes 10 seconds and if they don't start the count when the ball is at the disposal (winning team takes their sweet time to get the ball and go out of bounds) then a total of 15 seconds or more can run off the clock! (I've witnessed this actually take place)

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

IMO, it helps also with officials that count slow and where they allow the team time for the thrower to get the ball and go out of bounds. Some officials 5 second count actually takes 10 seconds and if they don't start the count when the ball is at the disposal (winning team takes their sweet time to get the ball and go out of bounds) then a total of 15 seconds or more can run off the clock! (I've witnessed this actually take place)

I am sure that Scrappy's point occurs far more times than the scenario you just outlined. If a guy is taking twice the time on his count, he ain't moving up the ladder anytime soon.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I was thinking about the same thing. Like the shot clock, I'm just not convinced it is something needed at the high school level. Besides, it seems to me that the Fed (in several sports) has been reluctant to implement rules that are only in effect at certain times of the game. Different sport, but The Fed has also resisted adopting any kind of rules that the NFL and NCAA Football have for timing in the last two minutes of the half, I would be surprised if they deviated from that here.

What I'm meaning is for those timers that do only HS or lower games where the rule is not in effect, it would take some time for them to get used to the rule. Also what action would cause the clock to stop, the ball through the net?

At least not wanting to adopt NBE Rules where the clock stops after every made basket in the last 2 minutes of the 4th Qtr. or OT.

Concerning the shot clock, the games can be higher scoring but can also be lower scoring depending on the offensive/defensive strategies of the teams, it does seem to make the game tempo faster.

It's all in the eye of the beholder.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What I'm meaning is for those timers that do only HS or lower games where the rule is not in effect, it would take some time for them to get used to the rule.

I know exactly what you meant. I see timers screw up the high school clock as it is now enough to know this is going to get really screwed up at first. I'm sure it would get better eventually but there would be some serious growing pains first.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I know exactly what you meant. I see timers screw up the high school clock as it is now enough to know this is going to get really screwed up at first. I'm sure it would get better eventually but there would be some serious growing pains first.

Thankfully during the JUCO Tournament, there was not much scoring happening in the last minutes of the games where I was timer, although at the times a score did happen, I was spot on on getting the clock stopped/started.

As with anything new, there's always gonna be growing pains.

[APG]

I really doubt there would be too much of an issue of stopping the clock under a minute. I've worked rec leagues that stop the clock on made baskets under a minute where the timers are usually parent volunteers, and there's hardly and issues with it at all...the main thing I notice is officials have to be more aware of the clock in case there are issues. The first couple of games and early season tournaments there might be issues, but I think that would pass by conference ball.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I really doubt there would be too much of an issue of stopping the clock under a minute. I've worked rec leagues that stop the clock on made baskets under a minute where the timers are usually parent volunteers, and there's hardly and issues with it at all...the main thing I notice is officials have to be more aware of the clock in case there are issues. The first couple of games and early season tournaments there might be issues, but I think that would pass by conference ball.

It's just a wait & see approach if that does pass to see what does happen.