2011 NCAAM Sweet 16

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

RE: Post 204
It's borderline, I think. He plays through and gets a good shot, but how difficult was the shot due to the contact? I probably pass on it, but I can see situations (game getting rough) where I'd need to get it.

On 205:
Sure looks like an Oscar to me, but the decision seems to have been made before he fell. Maybe he was anticipating something; guessing he'd like to have that back.

He whacks him pretty good in Post 204...don't penalize the offense for being strong.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He whacks him pretty good in Post 204...don't penalize the offense for being strong.

What penalty? Did the contact affect the shot? If not, what penalty? If so, how?

[Raymond]

I'm thinking about deleting one of my earlier posts just to throw off the message count of this thread so that everyone will be confused.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm thinking about deleting one of my earlier posts just to throw off the message count of this thread so that everyone will be confused.

Heh, I wondered about that when I started referencing them that way.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What penalty? Did the contact affect the shot? If not, what penalty? If so, how?

He got hammered...So if I shoot the ball and the ball is gone but I am still airborne and I get drilled to the floor a foul shouldn't be called because it really didn't affect the shot?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He got hammered...So if I shoot the ball and the ball is gone but I am still airborne and I get drilled to the floor a foul shouldn't be called because it really didn't affect the shot?

Nope, "drilled to the floor" is much different than a guy getting slapped on the arm with no effect. If you want to argue there was some effect on the shot, I can live with that. Otherwise, what basis do you use to differentiate between incidental contact and a foul?

Your play is different (although some would argue that if your shot was blocked, you're all but fair game) than the video. An airborne shooter knocked to the floor certainly involves the disadvantage of not being able to participate in normal offensive movements.

In the video, what normal offensive movements were prevented?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nope, "drilled to the floor" is much different than a guy getting slapped on the arm with no effect. If you want to argue there was some effect on the shot, I can live with that. Otherwise, what basis do you use to differentiate between incidental contact and a foul?

Your play is different (although some would argue that if your shot was blocked, you're all but fair game) than the video. An airborne shooter knocked to the floor certainly involves the disadvantage of not being able to participate in normal offensive movements.

In the video, what normal offensive movements were prevented?

In the play in question the contact is not incidental, it is illegal contact and 90% of the people here would have called that a foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

In the play in question the contact is not incidental, it is illegal contact and 90% of the people here would have called that a foul.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but why isn't it incidental? It certainly fits the definition of incidental contact. "Contact which does not prevent the opponent from participating in normal ... offensive movements" (paraphrased from memory.)