2011 NCAAM Sweet 16

[hoopguy]

Jay R - No you are not the only one who thinks 212 was a foul.

Rebounder goes up straight for rebound. opponent comes underneath him and rebounder lands on opponents foot and falls down. foul on opponent - new defensive player.

Watch the video closely. The rebounder lands on the opponents foot, not the floor.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Jay R - No you are not the only one who thinks 212 was a foul.

Rebounder goes up straight for rebound. opponent comes underneath him and rebounder lands on opponents foot and falls down. foul on opponent - new defensive player.

Watch the video closely. The rebounder lands on the opponents foot, not the floor.

Watch a little more closely. Taylor's right foot was in the air when the rebounder initially landed and then Taylor himself actually trips over the rebounder when he does make contact.

[Jay R]

I've looked at this many times. My first impession was a foul on White 11 for contacting the rebounder's leg and sending to the floor. I have no problem with a no call in NBA rules or FIBA rules where falling to the floor is not trvalling. But a travel here IMHO is not the right call. If White 11 doesn't come from behind and contact the rebounder's leg, I believe he is not going to fall.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I've looked at this many times. My first impession was a foul on White 11 for contacting the rebounder's leg and sending to the floor. I have no problem with a no call in NBA rules or FIBA rules where falling to the floor is not trvalling. But a travel here IMHO is not the right call. If White 11 doesn't come from behind and contact the rebounder's leg, I believe he is not going to fall.

He fell because he damn near snapped his leg in half, not because of the contact with Taylor's leg. Taylor contacted the rebounder's leg because the rebounder's leg popped out towards Taylor


.........IMVHO

[hoopguy]

BadNewsRef Quote:
Watch a little more closely. Taylor's right foot was in the air when the rebounder initially landed and then Taylor himself actually trips over the rebounder when he does make contact.

Wrong--- white number 11 moves forward and his foot goes under the rebounder who lands on white 11's foot causing 11 to trip. If you have ever played basketball and while moving someone steps on your foot, it causes you to trip which is why 11 tripped. Why do you think the black rebounder turned his ankle? Do you think it is because he landed on the flat court or on 11s foot? Most ankle injuries in basketball happen while landing on a foot as in this case.

One point I would like to make. Considering the differences of opionions on what we believe actually happened and us seeing the play multiple times, the officials at the game made the best call. Give the ball to black and act like it was for the injury. I can see how it would be too tough to make the foul call in live action and yet you do not want to penalize the black team. Good call in my opionion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Wrong--- white number 11 moves forward and his foot goes under the rebounder who lands on white 11's foot causing 11 to trip. If you have ever played basketball and while moving someone steps on your foot, it causes you to trip which is why 11 tripped. Why do you think the black rebounder turned his ankle? Do you think it is because he landed on the flat court or on 11s foot? Most ankle injuries in basketball happen while landing on a foot as in this case.

One point I would like to make. Considering the differences of opionions on what we believe actually happened and us seeing the play multiple times, the officials at the game made the best call. Give the ball to black and act like it was for the injury. I can see how it would be too tough to make the foul call in live action and yet you do not want to penalize the black team. Good call in my opionion.

In 1990 I ripped every ligament and a good amount of the nerves in my left ankle without stepping on my opponents foot so I have a good idea of how you can turn an ankle without stepping on someone's foot.

Now back to the play, I suggest you go to the 33 second mark of the video and pause it every second and tell me where Taylor's right foot is when the rebounder lands. Sh!t, in fact Taylor's left foot is in the air also. It's frickin' obvious, I can't believe you are actually saying the rebounder landed on Taylor's foot.

[Raymond]

I've become obsessed with the video in message #212

Further scientific observation on my part.

The rebounder comes down on his toes first. Taylor right foot is in the air and the heel of the rebounders foot then contacts Taylor's foot causing Taylor to trip and the rebounder's left ankle to buckle forward instead of his heel coming naturally to the ground. It was a freak accident. No way in the world do I call a foul on Taylor as he did not come underneath the airborne rebounder.

[APG]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Jay R - No you are not the only one who thinks 212 was a foul.

Rebounder goes up straight for rebound. opponent comes underneath him and rebounder lands on opponents foot and falls down. foul on opponent - new defensive player.

Watch the video closely. The rebounder lands on the opponents foot, not the floor.

Stop the clip at the 34 second mark. It clearly shows that he turned his ankle not by landing on the defender's foot but on the landing on the floor.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Stop the clip at the 34 second mark. It clearly shows that he turned his ankle not by landing on the defender's foot but on the landing on the floor.

Another bonding moment for me and APG...LOL

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Stop the clip at the 34 second mark. It clearly shows that he turned his ankle not by landing on the defender's foot but on the landing on the floor.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Another bonding moment for me and APG...LOL

M&M says JR wanted me to see if you two need a room of your own.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

M&M says JR wanted me to see if you two need a room of your own.

Coward.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Coward.

That's what I told him, too. He told me to just shut up and color.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's what I told him, too. He told me to just shut up and color.

And try and stay between the f'ing lines this time too.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

M&M says JR wanted me to see if you two need a room of your own.

I need for you to tell M&M to tell JR that APG said to shut up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

i need for you to tell m&m to tell jr that apg said to shut up.

ok