T or not T, that is the question?

[JRutledge]

This was posted on the NF site and I felt it was interesting considering the previous conversations.

Team A hits an apparent game winning shot with 3 seconds remaining and fans go crazy. Team B is bringing ball up court and shoots a desperation shot that falls short and buzzer sounds. Fans run on court, player A rips off shirt in excitement and it appears game is over. Apparently a timeout may have been called, before the shot, by coach B. Ref is at table discussing the situation. Ref decides to put 1.5 on clock and give ball to B at division line. The question is would YOU give team A technical for the shirt coming off?

What do we do here?

Peace

[APG]

Nope...no T from me.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This was posted on the NF site and I felt it was interesting considering the previous conversations.



What do we do here?

Peace

Based on others' previous opinions, nothing other than resume play with 1.5 seconds left, assuming that the official had definite knowledge.

[GoodwillRef]

No technical foul here...this is an honest mistake by the player who thought the game was over...we get paid for our judgment of the rules...use good judgment here.

[grunewar]

No T from me.

[Scrapper1]

From the '05-'06 NFHS Interps:

SITUATION 3: Team A is leading 62-60 when the horn sounds to end the game. A1 then removes his/her jersey near the team bench (a) before the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area; or (b) after the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area. RULING: In (a), A1 is assessed a technical foul. Team B is awarded two free throws; if both are successful, overtime will be played. In (b), since the officials' jurisdiction has ended, no penalty is assessed. (3-4-15; 2-2-4; 10-4-1h)

It doesn't matter if the kid thought the game was over. In the interp, the game horn actually had sounded, and it's still a technical foul. The uniform may not be used for demonstrative purposes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

From the '05-'06 NFHS Interps:

It doesn't matter if the kid thought the game was over. In the interp, the game horn actually had sounded, and it's still a technical foul. The uniform may not be used for demonstrative purposes.

I still wouldn't call a technical foul. May the lord of the NFHS have mercy on my soul.

[DesMoines]

I'm with Rich. No way.

[APG]

Originally Posted by richmsn

i still wouldn't call a technical foul. May the lord of the nfhs have mercy on my soul.

+1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This was posted on the NF site and I felt it was interesting considering the previous conversations.

It is interesting because it does bring up several questions that are related to the thread you're referring to.

By rule, this is a "T". Personally, I wouldn't call it though....and I'd also bet Lark's left nut that we end up with a consensus supporting that stance in this particular situation.

Sooooo....is the end result that we officials are determining whether something should be called no matter what direction the rulesmakers give us? As in the case of when a swung elbow that missed was an automatic "T" by rule, and that rule was almost universally ignored because we thought the punishment didn't fit the crime in all cases? This situation is something like that imo.

Maybe the bottom line is that we think too damn much sometimes and should just follow the rules. Maybe if we all did call 3-seconds strictly by the rule, the teams would adjust and we wouldn't have to talk players out of the paint.

And maybe that's why officiating is as much an art as it is a science.

And maybe I'm thinking too damn much for this early in the morning.


No matter what though, Jeff, I'm still calling a "T" if a player swears loud enough to be heard in the stands(unless he broke a leg or something, of course).

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

From the '05-'06 NFHS Interps:

It doesn't matter if the kid thought the game was over. In the interp, the game horn actually had sounded, and it's still a technical foul. The uniform may not be used for demonstrative purposes.

This is where our judgment comes in.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

From the '05-'06 NFHS Interps:

It doesn't matter if the kid thought the game was over. In the interp, the game horn actually had sounded, and it's still a technical foul. The uniform may not be used for demonstrative purposes.

So you are going to whack the kid...really?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It is interesting because it does bring up several questions that are related to the thread you're referring to.

By rule, this is a "T". Personally, I wouldn't call it though....and I'd also bet Lark's left nut that we end up with a consensus supporting that stance in this particular situation.

Sooooo....is the end result that we officials are determining whether something should be called no matter what direction the rulesmakers give us? As in the case of when a swung elbow that missed was an automatic "T" by rule, and that rule was almost universally ignored because we thought the punishment didn't fit the crime in all cases? This situation is something like that imo.

Maybe the bottom line is that we think too damn much sometimes and should just follow the rules. Maybe if we all did call 3-seconds strictly by the rule, the teams would adjust and we wouldn't have to talk players out of the paint.

And maybe that's why officiating is as much an art as it is a science.

And maybe I'm thinking too damn much for this early in the morning.


No matter what though, Jeff, I'm still calling a "T" if a player swears loud enough to be heard in the stands(unless he broke a leg or something, of course).

Agree with the above. But the same question exists - so if a majority of us disagrees with a direct rule and/or interp, should we just not call it?

Would this be the same with the dreaded backcourt interp - should we simply not call it the way the interp states, simply because we don't agree with it?

In either case above, how do we answer the person who asks us why we simply didn't follow the rule? JR, you have said consistenly over the years that "rules rulz", and that we cannot go wrong if we follow them, no matter what we feel or think about certain ones. What makes this one different?

[Welpe]

I'm calling the T....













....if I want to make sure that I never advance to working varsity ball.

[26 Year Gap]

I'm sure it was out of my primary.