Another suggested FED rule change

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I have no problem with the end of game fouling and really don't understand why so many people seem to.

Because that's when kids get hurt.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's some I've heard over the past few years from other officials.

1) go to 16 minute halves

2) return to four full timeouts (eliminates "Coach - 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30?")

I like both of these. I'd even go the route of saying 18 minute halves such as what Minnesota does. Or split the difference and go 17.

3) eliminate restrictions on logos and corporate sponsorships on uniforms - after all, as long as we can read their numbers on front and back, what the heck difference does it make? If a corporation wants to pay for uniforms and save the school money and all it wants in return is it's logo visible on the uniforms, who cares? (this suggestion came from a ref who's also a HS English teacher)

The traditionalist in me doesn't like it at the high school level.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Because that's when kids get hurt.

Players can and will get hurt no matter what. I don't see end of game fouling situations as any more dangerous than any other time...especially if you get the first foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

A solution in search of a problem. I have no problem with the end of game fouling and really don't understand why so many people seem to.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Because that's when kids get hurt.

Really? I have never seen a player injured in this scenario. I've seen a fight break out, but never had a kid get injured during the last minute fouling.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's some I've heard over the past few years from other officials.

1) go to 16 minute halves

2) return to four full timeouts (eliminates "Coach - 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30?")

3) eliminate restrictions on logos and corporate sponsorships on uniforms - after all, as long as we can read their numbers on front and back, what the heck difference does it make? If a corporation wants to pay for uniforms and save the school money and all it wants in return is it's logo visible on the uniforms, who cares? (this suggestion came from a ref who's also a HS English teacher)

4) anytime a coach receives two direct technicals, he also gets smacked upside the head with a frying pan (OK - that one is from me)

5) require each team to have at least 5 hot moms in the bleachers at every game (OK - that one is from me, too - plus about 5 other guys)

I feel the same way about the 16 minute halves, also change to using the NCAA Scorebook.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I feel the same way about the 16 minute halves, also change to using the NCAA Scorebook.

There's nothing in the rule book that would stop you from going to that, though I'm not sure why you'd want to.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Players can and will get hurt no matter what. I don't see end of game fouling situations as any more dangerous than any other time...especially if you get the first foul.

I don't either.

Newsflash, players get hurt while playing sports (sometimes with no contact too).

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

There's nothing in the rule book that would stop you from going to that, though I'm not sure why you'd want to.

Except for the fact that FED rules right now are quarters & not halves. The NCAA Scorebook is designed for halves.

I had some experience with the NCAA Scorebook during the JUCO Tournament, & I like how you do the running score with time occurred as well as fouls with time occurred.

The NCAA Scorebook has higher accountability involved.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Except for the fact that FED rules right now are quarters & not halves. The NCAA Scorebook is designed for halves.

Don't you think that will be an easy change when or if the rule changes?

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Don't you think that will be an easy change when or if the rule changes?

Peace

Depending on coaches, it might not be such an easy change.

I actually like the NCAA Timing rules better, as the game seems to go a bit faster compared to playing 4 quarters.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Doubles the chance for a correctable error.

Good point but how many correctable errors have you had the last several seasons? I've had 0 X 2 still equals 0.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Good point but how many correctable errors have you had the last several seasons? I've had 0 X 2 still equals 0.

I had 2 in one week in college games.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Regarding the FT bonus rules; it isn't broken, IMO. I rarely see more than 2 or 3 of those fouls at the end of a close game before it either closes or gets beyond reach.

Unless the coach and his team are stupid and don't realize that 12 seconds is not enough time to close an 11 point gap.

[Texas Aggie]

I rarely see more than 2 or 3 of those fouls at the end of a close game before it either closes or gets beyond reach.

One example of short-sightedness is the belief that your experience and everyone elses' is the same. It isn't. I routinely have, especially in HS subvarsity games, coaches start fouling with 2 minutes left and 10 down. 2 to 3? In 10 seconds, maybe.

The 3 point shot has neutralized the free throw even for teams that CAN make their FTs, which most can't. Plus, you have a team ahead by 2 or 3 late actually attempting to foul to prevent a 3 point shot winning or tying. So we have fouls by the losing AND winning team now -- either to stop the clock or prevent a 3. In other words, we condone rules infractions being used for competitive advantages. Can you name any other rules code that allows that? I find it a little strange Mark P is just now posting this, as I'm sure he was involved in threads where this topic has come up previously. If he wasn't, it would be the only such thread in history!

Seriously, I don't care who gets credit; I'm sure I wasn't the first one with the idea. But it IS needed, and there are few, if any, reasonable objections. We deal with declining penalties in football all the time, and the real point is to change the game away from using fouls or other rules infractions to gain an advantage.

The idea is sound, long overdue, and one that I have proposed for years -- including on here.

Other rule changes needed:

-- eliminate the 1 and 1; 2 shots at 7 fouls and 2 shots and the ball at 10. The game is way too physical. Plus, 40 and 50 foul games take way too long.

-- go back to the FT lane restriction ending on the release; we have all but ignored the rule at the varsity level and no summer leagues have or enforce this rule. Besides, the current rule can be very difficult to call in some situations.

-- Fed needs to mandate the 14 foot box. Texas will never go to it and the 6 foot box is worse than none at all. I WANT coaches to feel free to walk down their bench and address a player -- either to calm him or her down or to educate. Plus, we can now tell coaches (and admins) that the box is absolute -- its there on the court correctly marked or we don't use it. Get out of it, and you will be issued a T. Now, even I admit 6 feet is way too restrictive.

-- Remove warm up dunking restrictions. There's no need for this rule. If they destroy the equipment, forfeit. If they get hurt, sorry. If they get out of control, we can deal with that through plenty of remedies.

I think Fed should also seriously consider mandating 3 officials at the varsity level right now (or a 2 year implementation) and let it be known that within 3-8 years, ALL HS games must use 3 officials. This is a pipe dream, but I can wish can't I?

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's some I've heard over the past few years from other officials.

1) go to 16 minute halves

2) return to four full timeouts (eliminates "Coach - 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30? 60 or 30?")

3) eliminate restrictions on logos and corporate sponsorships on uniforms - after all, as long as we can read their numbers on front and back, what the heck difference does it make? If a corporation wants to pay for uniforms and save the school money and all it wants in return is it's logo visible on the uniforms, who cares? (this suggestion came from a ref who's also a HS English teacher)

1) +1 (16 or 18 works for me)
2) How about five 45s?
3) Im not a good uni cop as it is but making it a free for all isnt good either. I think we should get out of the penalty side of uniforms in terms of logos etc and into a reporting role. Let ADs, leagues and HS assoc deal with that crap.