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Adam Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 738779)
I was just about to say "I am surprised no one said I was working the game." After all people say that to me all the time. :D

Peace

Crap, I thought I saw you at the grocery store yesterday in Denver, but that's a whole other thread.

JRutledge Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:14pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 738795)
Crap, I thought I saw you at the grocery store yesterday in Denver, but that's a whole other thread.

I think I see you at the local store all the time. Not just yesterday. :D

Peace

Adam Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 738798)
I think I see you at the local store all the time. Not just yesterday. :D

Peace

Just like Higgins, only younger and with darker hair.

I don't joke about this with everyone since it might offend some I don't know well, but I have a white colleage in my guard unit, whose husband is black, and we joke about it all the time.

Her: "Did you see my husband earlier?"

Me: "How would I know?"

mbyron Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:36pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 738732)
Those 3 look alike to me.

That's cuz you're Canadian, and all Americans look alike to you people. :D

Camron Rust Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:42pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 738766)
I don't see how Walton could make an across the court OOB call, it would be a guess, and he did the right thing, he trusted his partners.

Walton had good reason to not call the OOB but there was no good reason to not call the traveling...that was his call and his PCA. Unless he's heard a horn or a whistle, he has to assume that the player is still inbounds and that there is time on the clock and make that call.

It would be convenient to try to lay blame on any one or two of the crew but in reality, all three made errors on that play.

Adam Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 738816)
Walton had good reason to not call the OOB but there was no good reason to not call the traveling...that was his call and his PCA. Unless he's heard a horn or a whistle, he has to assume that the player is still inbounds and that there is time on the clock and make that call.

It would be convenient to try to lay blame on any one or two of the crew but in reality, all three made errors on that play.

It's almost as if something told them the game was over. I'd stick with that, but I heard the live radio call of that play this morning, and I couldn't hear any horn that would indicate that was the case.

Raymond Thu Mar 10, 2011 04:56pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 738816)
Walton had good reason to not call the OOB but there was no good reason to not call the traveling...that was his call and his PCA. Unless he's heard a horn or a whistle, he has to assume that the player is still inbounds and that there is time on the clock and make that call.

It would be convenient to try to lay blame on any one or two of the crew but in reality, all three made errors on that play.

After St. John's steals the ball Walton starts running towards SJ's frontcourt but takes his eyes off the player and looks at the clock. When he looks back the player is already OOB and in the midst chucking the ball up in the air. I don't think Earl knew what the hell was going on at that point. He's probably thinking "I hope someone blew a whistle" :eek:

Adam Thu Mar 10, 2011 05:18pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 738822)
After St. John's steals the ball Walton starts running towards SJ's frontcourt but takes his eyes off the player and looks at the clock. When he looks back the player is already OOB and in the midst chucking the ball up in the air. I don't think Earl knew what the hell was going on at that point. He's probably thinking "I hope someone blew a whistle" :eek:

The perfect storm, it seems, for really good officials to miss a seemingly easy call.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 10, 2011 05:39pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 738822)
After St. John's steals the ball Walton starts running towards SJ's frontcourt but takes his eyes off the player and looks at the clock. When he looks back the player is already OOB and in the midst chucking the ball up in the air. I don't think Earl knew what the hell was going on at that point. He's probably thinking "I hope someone blew a whistle" :eek:

That may be what he did but in doing so he took his eyes off THE play in HIS PCA....not usually a good idea.

Raymond Thu Mar 10, 2011 06:08pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 738845)
That may be what he did but in doing so he took his eyes off THE play in HIS PCA....not usually a good idea.

Not saying it was. Just noting another contributary action to what went wrong.

JRutledge Thu Mar 10, 2011 06:20pm

Who cares about the darn travel? That pales in comparison to the out of bounds call that does not take an issue of when the player might have controlled the ball. We miss travels all the time. We should not miss a player stepping on the line ever that clearly. Now was that a mistake? Of course it was, but I can get over a missed travel as I am sure there were other plays during that game we could argue was a travel, but can we miss an out of bounds? Heck no. We cannot even agree when the player had the darn ball. But we know the player stepped on the line.

Peace

jbduke Thu Mar 10, 2011 06:58pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 738861)
Who cares about the darn travel? That pales in comparison to the out of bounds call that does not take an issue of when the player might have controlled the ball. We miss travels all the time. We should not miss a player stepping on the line ever that clearly. Now was that a mistake? Of course it was, but I can get over a missed travel as I am sure there were other plays during that game we could argue was a travel, but can we miss an out of bounds? Heck no. We cannot even agree when the player had the darn ball. But we know the player stepped on the line.

Peace

Okay, I think I finally understand the source of our disagreement. You think that the "travel" was close. And I think that the "travel" was beyond obvious.

I'm just glad that I think I understand your argument now.

Referee24.7 Thu Mar 10, 2011 07:39pm

The bottom line is this -- you CANNOT miss impact plays that can possibly alter the outcome of a game -- at any level.

Burr and Higgins are old-school guys and I'm sure they just chalked it up to either "I didn't see it" or they had the clock at 00.0, because Burr walked off like nothing even happened. . .

If they were going to call a travel, it would've been around 2.1, but either way, SOMETHING needed to be called and you can't miss obvious plays.

That, first and foremost, for all of us who wear stripes, trumps everything.

I feel bad for Walton out of all of them, because I'm sure he's going to be put up as the "Lee Harvey Oswald" in this mess that if Burr didn't pick it up, then Higgins should.

Nuff said, pencils down, game over.

Nevadaref Thu Mar 10, 2011 07:52pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 738412)
But , if I recall correctly, a couple of years back when there was a bump in the backcourt in the last second of a tournament game (Georgetown vs. Somebody, maybe?) which caused a player to step out of bounds. The foul was called, the subsequent free throws were the winning margin, and Bilas said the whole thing should have been ignored.

It was G'town vs. Villanova and it was not an NCAA tournament game.
It was a Big East game.

26 Year Gap Thu Mar 10, 2011 08:11pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 738810)
That's cuz you're Canadian, and all Americans look alike to you people,eh? :D

Fixed it for ya.:D


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