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Rich Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 738633)
The only foul I think MIGHT have been missed was the push on the rebound. But the drive to the basket and the long pass/catch were realy good No Calls IMO
Really? See, I think the long pass/catch was probably the one I would've called a foul (from the comfort of my stool at Hooters, which is where I actually watched the ending). Looked like the St. John's player went right through the Rutgers player to knock the ball clear.

Just goes to show that the no calls weren't simply "the Big East philosophy of no amputation, no foul" but were difficult plays to rule on.

JRutledge Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 738648)
Really? See, I think the long pass/catch was probably the one I would've called a foul (from the comfort of my stool at Hooters, which is where I actually watched the ending). Looked like the St. John's player went right through the Rutgers player to knock the ball clear.
They both jumped into each other. Not sure who you would call the foul on. Neither had the ball and the contact put neither at a big advantage or disadvantage. It was a poorly executed play.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 10, 2011 01:03pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 738619)
I'm saying that I think the offense initiated the contact and that I thought a no call was the proper call on the play.
And I was on record yesterday agreeing with that. Good, experienced officials aren't going to bail out a shooter jumping into somebody. And if the defender isn't knocked down,you won't see a charge either.

When they get their evaluations on this game, that no-call will be a + imo.

Rich Thu Mar 10, 2011 01:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 738657)
They both jumped into each other. Not sure who you would call the foul on. Neither had the ball and the contact put neither at a big advantage or disadvantage. It was a poorly executed play.

Peace
And I can see the reason for passing on it. To me, it appeared the Rutgers player had position and was bumped from behind.

We can nitpick the other stuff to death -- the only thing that got really messed up was the last 1.7 seconds.

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 10, 2011 01:12pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 738683)
We can nitpick the other stuff to death -- the only thing that got really messed up was the last 1.7 seconds.
Amen. If the last play gets called, the officiating never gets mentioned.

Adam Thu Mar 10, 2011 01:14pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 738691)
Amen. If the last play gets called, the officiating never gets mentioned.
Except by Jay Bilas who seemed more focussed on the alleged fouls that were missed in the last minute.

26 Year Gap Thu Mar 10, 2011 01:43pm
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Originally Posted by biz (Post 738607)
Adams went out of his way to compliment Burr on the season he was having and then "no commented" on Higgins and Walton. You don't have to read between the lines too hard to come up with the conclusion that Burr will get an NCAA assignment and the other two won't.

I would disagree with you too. Burr as the new Trail has responsibility for the line that Brownlee stepped out on so that is in his PCA, although I agree that in transition Higgins should have helped him on the OOB call.

Here's another comment from Mr. Adams, nothing earth shattering though.


NCAA supervisor pledges that refs will get younger - College Basketball News | FOX Sports on MSN
I'm with Rut. Who is the guy in front of the St John's bench? Higgins or Burr? THAT is the guy who was apparently straight-lined.

mbyron Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:01pm
The previously posted video showed just 1:09 of coverage; this one shows 3 minutes. It also shows the plays, one under each basket, that many feel were missed foul calls.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/eKw6jgZVONI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

biz Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:03pm
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 738709)
I'm with Rut. Who is the guy in front of the St John's bench? Higgins or Burr? THAT is the guy who was apparently straight-lined.
Higgins is in front of the St John's bench.

For clarification:

Jim Burr

http://images1.statsheet.com/images/...jpg?1293797735

Tim Higgins

http://images4.statsheet.com/images/...jpg?1299501652

APG Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:06pm
On the dribble drive by the Rutgers player, I most definitely have a foul on the defender.

mbyron Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:11pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 738723)
On the dribble drive by the Rutgers player, I most definitely have a foul on the defender.
That's what I was thinking. A still photo doesn't prove anything, but this one is suggestive:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/790...10310at208.png

APG Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:13pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 738727)
That's what I was thinking. A still photo doesn't prove anything, but this one is suggestive:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/790...10310at208.png
That to me was the second easiest call. I was absolutely shocked there was no call and a bit confused how some are defending the no call on this one.

Raymond Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:15pm
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Originally Posted by biz (Post 738721)
Higgins is in front of the St John's bench.

For clarification:

Jim Burr

http://images1.statsheet.com/images/...jpg?1293797735

Tim Higgins

http://images4.statsheet.com/images/...jpg?1299501652
Why no picture of Earl Walton? :D

OldFanDan Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:24pm
http://images1.statsheet.com/images/...jpg?1299501652

Earl Walton

http://images1.statsheet.com/images/...jpg?1299501652

JugglingReferee Thu Mar 10, 2011 02:26pm
Those 3 look alike to me.


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