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cmathews Wed Mar 09, 2011 05:49pm

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NCAA official head: Finish 'unacceptable' in St. John's win - ESPN

cmathews Wed Mar 09, 2011 05:50pm

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NCAA official head: Finish 'unacceptable' in St. John's win - ESPN

Adam Wed Mar 09, 2011 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by cmathews (Post 738254)

I'll wait for the movie.

Welpe Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 738257)
I'll wait for the movie.

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Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 738228)
I call softball, and just lurk over here. My question: if you had gotten the out of bounds call would you give a technical for a player who was throwing the ball believing the game to be over?

No...because he might have been throwing the ball in the air to try and waste the last 2 seconds on the clock. That's a fairly common tactic.

CDurham Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 738241)
DoG? You mean the warning? Which of the four does this fall under?

I wouldn't call anything in the situation. It shouldn't be a DOG so I don't know why I wasn't thinking. I guess the fact that he threw the ball into the air thus delaying any such action until the ball is retrieved is what I was thinking about

Adam Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:05pm

I was hoping for the "over the back" call that's being discussed, but as for the OOB at the end, I'd say their only hope is that the clock on the court is about 1.7 seconds faster than the one we're seeing on the broadcast.

Adam Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:07pm

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Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 738260)
I wouldn't call anything in the situation. It shouldn't be a DOG so I don't know why I wasn't thinking. I guess the fact that he threw the ball into the air thus delaying any such action until the ball is retrieved is what I was thinking about

Makes sense.

Actually, a T would be for delaying the game by preventing the ball from being made live. There's no mechanism for a warning on this one.

That said, I wouldn't call this one either, unless he did it signficantly after I blew my whistle for the violation and it actually delayed the throw-in.

APG Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:11pm

That final 20 seconds was horrendous.

1. On the drive, I definitely think there was a foul on the defender. Hands and arms were nowhere near vertical.

2. I think there should have been a whistle on the missed free throw and rebound. I think the reason the rebounder falls out of bounds is due to a push from the defender.

3. I think the initial play on the deep pass was fine. But the missed travel AND the out of bounds was BAD. He (the player) was out of bounds far enough that both the lead and trail could of gotten it. Plus the center has a clear view of the player and can see the steps.

BktBallRef Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:12pm

I don't have a foul. There was no travel. He gained possession with one foot on the floor and then stepped OOB.

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by cmathews (Post 738256)

How come the talking heads at ESPN or the other clown colleges never pick out the less controversial quote as their headline? As in:
NCAA official head: "One bad call doesn't knock a guy out of the NCAA tournament."

Hell, if everybody who had a badly missed call in D1 this year was eliminated from the tournament, they wouldn't be able to cover the preliminary games, let alone the first round.

Yes, they booted the hell out of the call. But please try to keep it in perspective.

JMO

LeeBallanfant Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:14pm

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Originally Posted by mightyvol (Post 738135)
Why is this guy officiating? He cant keep up. It looks like he is really hurting. I know trying to officiate through an injury is one of the most difficult things. I dont think he should be out there, it is obvious something is wrong. Anyone know the extent of his health. I know he has to be in his 60's....maybe its just age.

In the video, Timmy managed to beat the young guy (Walton) in the race to the locker room.

BktBallRef Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:16pm

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 738228)
I call softball, and just lurk over here. My question: if you had gotten the out of bounds call would you give a technical for a player who was throwing the ball believing the game to be over?

No. He thought the game was over and was excitied. No T.

Johnny Ringo Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:18pm

Exactly ... There was NO TRAVEL. Can't somebody tell Digger Phelps and the gang this!

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 738263)
On the drive, I definitely think there was a foul on the defender. Hands and arms were nowhere near vertical.

Does a defender have to keep their hands vertical when the shooter is jumping forward into them?

Imo the good officials at that level just won't reward any shooter that jumps into a defender and initiates the contact. And that was my impression on seeing the original play as well as the replay.


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