Hey NCAAM fashion police

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Well, Bob, you planted a whole lotta doubt in my mind, so I had to dig out the rulebook and look it up. After reading your post, I thought maybe the restriction only applied to the new "neutral zone" (which includes the team name and player's number). But here is the relevant citation:

NCAA 3-8-1: "A visible manufacturer's or distributor's label or trademark is not permitted on the game jersey or undershirt".

Well eff me.

Like you, then, I don't know why it's being allowed.

I apologize for any confusion.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I apologize for any confusion.

1) My post was not intended as an "Eff you". I apologize if it came across as snide or condescending.
2) In this case, any confusion was actually good, because it made me dig it out of the rulebook.

[Jfpdi]

What is the penalty for violating 3-8-1? I looked under rule 10 and it only refers to an illegal jersey as defined in 3-5. (10-2-3c)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) My post was not intended as an "Eff you". I apologize if it came across as snide or condescending.
2) In this case, any confusion was actually good, because it made me dig it out of the rulebook.

What's up with all this nicety?

What happened to the goold ole days of "Shut Up!!!"?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What's up with all this nicety?

What happened to the goold ole days of "Shut Up!!!"?

Scwappy was never a shut up-er. He was always a shut up-ee.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) My post was not intended as an "Eff you". I apologize if it came across as snide or condescending.

No, it didn't. My remark was directed at me. I was "sure" that it was allowed.

2) In this case, any confusion was actually good, because it made me dig it out of the rulebook.

Ditto

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Well eff me.

Like you, then, I don't know why it's being allowed.

I apologize for any confusion.

NCAA bylaws allow the logo while the basketball rules do not. The bylaws take precedence over the playing rules of individual sports.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Cobra

NCAA bylaws allow the logo while the basketball rules do not. The bylaws take precedence over the playing rules of individual sports.

I find this really hard to believe. Any chance you've documentation of the bylaws?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I find this really hard to believe. Any chance you've documentation of the bylaws?

Along with documentation that they take precedence.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Along with documentation that they take precedence.

Along with any evidence you are not related to Old School?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I find this really hard to believe. Any chance you've documentation of the bylaws?

Why is this hard to believe? You know the basketball rules don't allow the logos but lots of teams have them. Obviously there is some other reason that all these teams are wearing logos.


Wearing Apparel Items that Display Logos During Competition. A student-athlete representing
an institution in intercollegiate competition is limited to wearing apparel items that include only the
logo (not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches) of an apparel manufacturer or distributor. The studentathlete
may not wear any apparel (e.g., hat, visor, shirt, pennies) that identifies any entity other than
the student-athlete's institution and the apparel manufacturer or distributor.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=...Nl&hl=en&pli=1
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/...25b04a50_o.png

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Why is this hard to believe? You know the basketball rules don't allow the logos but lots of teams have them. Obviously there is some other reason that all these teams are wearing logos.

It's hard to believe (for me) because I can't see the NCAA allowing one of its rule-making bodies to enact a rule that contradicts an NCAA by-law. Kind of like allowing a state to enact a law that contradicts the US Constitution.

Wearing Apparel Items that Display Logos During Competition. A student-athlete representing
an institution in intercollegiate competition is limited to wearing apparel items that include only the
logo (not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches) of an apparel manufacturer or distributor. The studentathlete
may not wear any apparel (e.g., hat, visor, shirt, pennies) that identifies any entity other than
the student-athlete's institution and the apparel manufacturer or distributor.

Thanks for posting this, but it doesn't say that a player can wear a manufacturer's logo on his/her jersey. It only says that IF a player is legally wearing a logo, it must be the logo of the item's manufacturer or distributor. In other words, a golfer may wear a hat with the Nike swoosh on it, but may not wear a patch for Hooters, for example.

So I am still left wondering why no one has made a stink about the logos.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It's hard to believe (for me) because I can't see the NCAA allowing one of its rule-making bodies to enact a rule that contradicts an NCAA by-law. Kind of like allowing a state to enact a law that contradicts the US Constitution.

So I am still left wondering why no one has made a stink about the logos.

Did you look at the links Cobra posted?

The NCAA cut a deal with manufacturers that allows this. The memo from the NCAA is clear: if the manufacturer gets the NCAA approval on their shirts, then they can put their logo on them.

This is the official word from the NCAA:

For the 2010-11 season, this program is voluntary. Participation in the program, however, allows the manufacturer to place its logo on the game jersey, which is not currently allowed by NCAA playing rules. The program becomes mandatory for Division I in the 2011-12 season and for Divisions II and III in the 2013-14 season.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Did you look at the links Cobra posted?

I did not. Thanks for posting it. I was going only by his comments in the post.

So I guess this means that when "participation" becomes mandatory, the rule regarding the logos on jerseys will simply be deleted?