Another Blarge

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

The problem is that both officials in a blarge situation can feel they are completely correct.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The problem is that both officials in a blarge situation can feel they are completely correct.

True, but if I'm sure that I'm completely correct and I'm in the process of making the call, then I'm still going to make that call. I won't say something lame like "I wasn't going to give the PC signal; I was just scratching my head."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

True, but if I'm sure that I'm completely correct and I'm in the process of making the call, then I'm still going to make that call. I won't say something lame like "I wasn't going to give the PC signal; I was just scratching my head."

I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

Doubtful I'd ever intentionally initiate a blarge.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

... but isn't this how it's done for NCAA-W?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

Doubtful I'd ever intentionally initiate a blarge.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... but isn't this how it's done for NCAA-W?

It's how it's supposed to be done at all levels. If 2 fists go up in the air then the primary official should take the call.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's how it's supposed to be done at all levels. If 2 fists go up in the air then the primary official should take the call.

Some people don't know primary areas though. Especially ball watchers.

[VaTerp]

I was watching the game and said blarge as soon as I saw the L signal a block. The C didn't give a prelim but you could tell he was going the other way.

I don't know how in the world the L had a block on that. IMO it was an easy PC.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I don't know how in the world the L had a block on that. IMO it was an easy PC.

Because far too many player control fouls are called blocks.

Too many officials don't understand that there is no time/distance on a PC foul. Oh sure, they know what the rule is but as for actually calling the play by rule, far too many are called blocks. They think they "referee the defense" but the truth is they don't truly understand what that means.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's how it's supposed to be done at all levels. If 2 fists go up in the air then the primary official should take the call.

You are correct on a double whistle in this type of situation. However, if double preliminaries are called, that is where we get into a sticky wicket.
IMO, the NCAA-W handle this correctly, but of course I am probably biased

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

First of all, who do you mean by "They"? Assignors? A "Blarge" call usually makes the rounds around the Ref gossip tree only slightly less quicker then an ejection. People have lost assignments b/c of a blarge. Coaches? I can speak on some authority on that. Most coaches would rather have the call go one way or the other. Sure one might be upset, but isn't that the case with about 90% of all our calls. Players? Well you may be correct there, they have a hard enough time remembering to keep their shirts tucked in!
Also, by having a blarge, you are doing exactly what you say you are trying to avoid in blue. You are deliberately letting a wrong call stand since only one of the offiicals can be correct.
NCAA-W handle the situation differently than NCAA-M and NFHS. IMO, the best way to avoid this situation is:
"Double whistles are good, double signals are bad".

[jalons]

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other. I guess it took about five minutes for the crew to piece everything together before they reported a blarge.

And this guy was working the game based on recommendations from coaches...

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by jalons

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other. I guess it took about five minutes for the crew to piece everything together before they reported a blarge.

And this guy was working the game based on recommendations from coaches...

That is actually too funny.
Sort of like a coach asking for a "45 sec" TO. They held one arm out and touched their shoulder with the other hand!!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Judtech

That is actually too funny.
Sort of like a coach asking for a "45 sec" TO. They held one arm out and touched their shoulder with the other hand!!

Actually that is pretty sad. A bad signal at the spot is one thing, but taking five minutes and ending up with a blarge by one official is ridiculous.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Actually that is pretty sad. A bad signal at the spot is one thing, but taking five minutes and ending up with a blarge by one official is ridiculous.

I agree, if it happened as told. I'm guessing the length of the conversation has increased with each telling, though. I'd love to get the calling official's perspective (or even one of his partners) before passing judgment too harshly.

Although the idea of a single official coming to a blarge seems ridiculous regardless of what else happens.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by judtech

first of all, who do you mean by "they"? Assignors? A "blarge" call usually makes the rounds around the ref gossip tree only slightly less quicker then an ejection. People have lost assignments b/c of a blarge. Coaches? I can speak on some authority on that. Most coaches would rather have the call go one way or the other. Sure one might be upset, but isn't that the case with about 90% of all our calls. Players? Well you may be correct there, they have a hard enough time remembering to keep their shirts tucked in!:d
also, by having a blarge, you are doing exactly what you say you are trying to avoid in blue. You are deliberately letting a wrong call stand since only one of the offiicals can be correct.
Ncaa-w handle the situation differently than ncaa-m and nfhs. Imo, the best way to avoid this situation is:
"double whistles are good, double signals are bad".

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