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[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but to me the National Basketball Association is more about entertainment than sport.

I don't buy that...I just view it as a different game...just like the NFL is different than amateur play. And I would say the NFL has many rules/philosophies that are "entertainment" based.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't buy that...I just view it as a different game...just like the NFL is different than amateur play. And I would say the NFL has many rules/philosophies that are "entertainment" based.

What pro sport/league doesn't have some sort of entertainment basis?

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What pro sport/league doesn't have some sort of entertainment basis?

Well that's my main point. All major professional leagues in America have their basis in sport but with entertainment rules/philosophies/enforcement.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Well that's my main point. All major professional leagues in America have their basis in sport but with entertainment rules/philosophies/enforcement.

And there's the problem right there. The NBE doesn't enforce it's own rules. There's no consistency in play-calling that I can discern. What might be a travel now is a legal crab dribble 2 minutes later. And good luck to anyone that tries to figure out what a foul is.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And there's the problem right there. The NBE doesn't enforce it's own rules. There's no consistency in play-calling that I can discern. What might be a travel now is a legal crab dribble 2 minutes later. And good luck to anyone that tries to figure out what a foul is.

I dunno...I watch plenty of NBA games and don't have any problems with the playcalling and discerning fouls and violations. Are there a couple of calls I wonder about? Sure, but that's true for me when watching and NCAA game or a high school game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And there's the problem right there. The NBE doesn't enforce it's own rules. There's no consistency in play-calling that I can discern. What might be a travel now is a legal crab dribble 2 minutes later. And good luck to anyone that tries to figure out what a foul is.

I am not a big fan of the NBA, but not because of how they enforce their rules, but because of the overall style of play. I also do not like that there are a bunch of players in the league that just cannot play.

But to say that they do not enforce their rules is laughable. For one I do not watch a lot of NBA games, but I see more traveling called that I can understand then I do in many NCAA games. And the NBA has rules that I have come to find out are very specific for certain parts of the game, like what happens in the post and how the defender is allowed to put their forearm on the ball handler.

The same criticism could be say in every league. The difference is that the NBA players are not like Payton Manning and did not grow up middle class, so everything that the NBA does gets a bad rap when the very same things take place in other leagues. I cannot even watch baseball half the time because they cannot enforce a simply rule to speed up the game and allow players to take all kinds of time which delays the game. And do not get me started on strike zones and other rules that almost never get enforced, but the NBA is the only one that does that? Give me a break. Again, not a personal fan anymore, but all pro leagues are about entertainment. And they all have rules that reflect that very thing or they would not survive.

Peace

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't buy that...I just view it as a different game...just like the NFL is different than amateur play. And I would say the NFL has many rules/philosophies that are "entertainment" based.

Protecting the quarterbacks is one thing that comes to mind. The NFL has a perception that people want offense. That's all well and good, but I don't mind seeing a good defense too.

I think it's more subtle in the NFL than in the NBA. The NFL has meathead football fans who get pumped no matter what. It's hard to be a meathead basketball fan, IMO.

You might say it's apples and oranges, but at the same time, the NFL is king for a reason. The on-field product is a better one than what the NBA puts out.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Protecting the quarterbacks is one thing that comes to mind. The NFL has a perception that people want offense. That's all well and good, but I don't mind seeing a good defense too.

I think it's more subtle in the NFL than in the NBA. The NFL has meathead football fans who get pumped no matter what. It's hard to be a meathead basketball fan, IMO.

You might say it's apples and oranges, but at the same time, the NFL is king for a reason. The on-field product is a better one than what the NBA puts out.

I can think of a couple of more...ALL penalties save for a few minor penalties are automatic first down. The most glaring example of an "entertainment" passed rule is defensive pass interference. Throw the ball short on a deep pass and you can get a pass interference a good amount of times. Compare that with the fact that offensive pass interference is hardly called. Also compare illegal contact...a penalty that only exists at the NFL level to promote the pass happy league we see today. There's a reason why the league made it a point of emphasis after the Patriots manhandled the Rams during the Super Bowl.

I couldn't tell you why most football fans don't care. I get the feeling sometimes that the NFL can't do any wrong in the eyes of the fan haha

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Protecting the quarterbacks is one thing that comes to mind. The NFL has a perception that people want offense. That's all well and good, but I don't mind seeing a good defense too.

I think it's more subtle in the NFL than in the NBA. The NFL has meathead football fans who get pumped no matter what. It's hard to be a meathead basketball fan, IMO.

You might say it's apples and oranges, but at the same time, the NFL is king for a reason. The on-field product is a better one than what the NBA puts out.

The thing is, the real money is made "on the margins" from people who only care to watch an exciting game. You're going to be there no matter what, Johnny C. Lately, however, is more fickle with his dollars and time.

[Texas Aggie]

I actually thought the E stood for "embarrassment." To me, it does, as I don't consider it entertainment. Its an embarrassment in part because, contrary to what some on here think, the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome. That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc. I don't blame the individual officials much, but I do question whether they can be true to their convictions when they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive.

Sure, college supervisors tell me what to wear, when to be there, how to handle certain situations, but all guidance is with the understanding that the teams play the game and advantages within the rules are on them.

What's sad is that some of these so-called rules are filtering down to the lower levels.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I actually thought the E stood for "embarrassment." To me, it does, as I don't consider it entertainment. Its an embarrassment in part because, contrary to what some on here think, the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome. That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc. I don't blame the individual officials much, but I do question whether they can be true to their convictions when they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive.

Sure, college supervisors tell me what to wear, when to be there, how to handle certain situations, but all guidance is with the understanding that the teams play the game and advantages within the rules are on them.

What's sad is that some of these so-called rules are filtering down to the lower levels.

"the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome."-All sports officiating is geared toward a certain outcome...one team will win and one will lose

"That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc."-So your assertion "may or may not" have any credibility and is based on nothing more than your opinion? I assume you have the proof and the documentation of your claims? Changing crews? Were you involved in the decision making process in the crew assignments? Further, crew changes happen at all levels of the sport. I can tell you on numerous occasions while working even high school playoffs I was involved in many crew changes. Are we to assume there was some type of collusion or mailicious intent involved with that?

"they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive."-Referees at all levls are specifically told how to adjudicate certain situations, that is why we have a rules interpreter; to put everyone on the same page and speaking with one voice. I can tell you that there is NOTHING handed down by the league which is not supported by a rule. I would go a step further and tell you that these "directives" are much more consistent at the professional level than at any other, simply because there are not multiple assignors providing their staffs with personal philosophies on how to referee certain plays.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I actually thought the E stood for "embarrassment." To me, it does, as I don't consider it entertainment. Its an embarrassment in part because, contrary to what some on here think, the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome. That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc. I don't blame the individual officials much, but I do question whether they can be true to their convictions when they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive.

Sure, college supervisors tell me what to wear, when to be there, how to handle certain situations, but all guidance is with the understanding that the teams play the game and advantages within the rules are on them.

What's sad is that some of these so-called rules are filtering down to the lower levels.

I would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the NBA league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The NBA rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one IMO. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which I find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by vaterp

i would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the nba league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The nba rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one imo. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which i find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

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[APG]

Originally Posted by vaterp

i would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the nba league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The nba rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one imo. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which i find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like.

And that's where I disagree. The problem isn't the rules; it's the rules that aren't being uniformly enforced. Joe Benchwarmer might get called for taking that extra half-step, but if you think LeBron et al are gonna get called for the same violation, well, you just haven't been watching the NBE lately.