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[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't buy that...I just view it as a different game...just like the NFL is different than amateur play. And I would say the NFL has many rules/philosophies that are "entertainment" based.

Protecting the quarterbacks is one thing that comes to mind. The NFL has a perception that people want offense. That's all well and good, but I don't mind seeing a good defense too.

I think it's more subtle in the NFL than in the NBA. The NFL has meathead football fans who get pumped no matter what. It's hard to be a meathead basketball fan, IMO.

You might say it's apples and oranges, but at the same time, the NFL is king for a reason. The on-field product is a better one than what the NBA puts out.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Protecting the quarterbacks is one thing that comes to mind. The NFL has a perception that people want offense. That's all well and good, but I don't mind seeing a good defense too.

I think it's more subtle in the NFL than in the NBA. The NFL has meathead football fans who get pumped no matter what. It's hard to be a meathead basketball fan, IMO.

You might say it's apples and oranges, but at the same time, the NFL is king for a reason. The on-field product is a better one than what the NBA puts out.

I can think of a couple of more...ALL penalties save for a few minor penalties are automatic first down. The most glaring example of an "entertainment" passed rule is defensive pass interference. Throw the ball short on a deep pass and you can get a pass interference a good amount of times. Compare that with the fact that offensive pass interference is hardly called. Also compare illegal contact...a penalty that only exists at the NFL level to promote the pass happy league we see today. There's a reason why the league made it a point of emphasis after the Patriots manhandled the Rams during the Super Bowl.

I couldn't tell you why most football fans don't care. I get the feeling sometimes that the NFL can't do any wrong in the eyes of the fan haha

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Protecting the quarterbacks is one thing that comes to mind. The NFL has a perception that people want offense. That's all well and good, but I don't mind seeing a good defense too.

I think it's more subtle in the NFL than in the NBA. The NFL has meathead football fans who get pumped no matter what. It's hard to be a meathead basketball fan, IMO.

You might say it's apples and oranges, but at the same time, the NFL is king for a reason. The on-field product is a better one than what the NBA puts out.

The thing is, the real money is made "on the margins" from people who only care to watch an exciting game. You're going to be there no matter what, Johnny C. Lately, however, is more fickle with his dollars and time.

[Texas Aggie]

I actually thought the E stood for "embarrassment." To me, it does, as I don't consider it entertainment. Its an embarrassment in part because, contrary to what some on here think, the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome. That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc. I don't blame the individual officials much, but I do question whether they can be true to their convictions when they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive.

Sure, college supervisors tell me what to wear, when to be there, how to handle certain situations, but all guidance is with the understanding that the teams play the game and advantages within the rules are on them.

What's sad is that some of these so-called rules are filtering down to the lower levels.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I actually thought the E stood for "embarrassment." To me, it does, as I don't consider it entertainment. Its an embarrassment in part because, contrary to what some on here think, the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome. That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc. I don't blame the individual officials much, but I do question whether they can be true to their convictions when they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive.

Sure, college supervisors tell me what to wear, when to be there, how to handle certain situations, but all guidance is with the understanding that the teams play the game and advantages within the rules are on them.

What's sad is that some of these so-called rules are filtering down to the lower levels.

"the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome."-All sports officiating is geared toward a certain outcome...one team will win and one will lose

"That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc."-So your assertion "may or may not" have any credibility and is based on nothing more than your opinion? I assume you have the proof and the documentation of your claims? Changing crews? Were you involved in the decision making process in the crew assignments? Further, crew changes happen at all levels of the sport. I can tell you on numerous occasions while working even high school playoffs I was involved in many crew changes. Are we to assume there was some type of collusion or mailicious intent involved with that?

"they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive."-Referees at all levls are specifically told how to adjudicate certain situations, that is why we have a rules interpreter; to put everyone on the same page and speaking with one voice. I can tell you that there is NOTHING handed down by the league which is not supported by a rule. I would go a step further and tell you that these "directives" are much more consistent at the professional level than at any other, simply because there are not multiple assignors providing their staffs with personal philosophies on how to referee certain plays.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I actually thought the E stood for "embarrassment." To me, it does, as I don't consider it entertainment. Its an embarrassment in part because, contrary to what some on here think, the officiating is engineered toward a certain outcome. That may or may not include specific games, but the documentation is all over the place for the league orchestrating things like extending series, changing playoff crews to favor a style, etc. I don't blame the individual officials much, but I do question whether they can be true to their convictions when they call the way they are specifically told, ways that are often anti-competitive.

Sure, college supervisors tell me what to wear, when to be there, how to handle certain situations, but all guidance is with the understanding that the teams play the game and advantages within the rules are on them.

What's sad is that some of these so-called rules are filtering down to the lower levels.

I would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the NBA league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The NBA rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one IMO. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which I find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by vaterp

i would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the nba league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The nba rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one imo. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which i find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

+7

[APG]

Originally Posted by vaterp

i would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the nba league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The nba rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one imo. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which i find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

+1000

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like.

And that's where I disagree. The problem isn't the rules; it's the rules that aren't being uniformly enforced. Joe Benchwarmer might get called for taking that extra half-step, but if you think LeBron et al are gonna get called for the same violation, well, you just haven't been watching the NBE lately.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that's where I disagree. The problem isn't the rules; it's the rules that aren't being uniformly enforced. Joe Benchwarmer might get called for taking that extra half-step, but if you think LeBron et al are gonna get called for the same violation, well, you just haven't been watching the NBE lately.

I watch my share of the NBA and I have seen more travels called in the last several years, including on Lebron and other superstars, then what was called previously. I know the league made it a point of emphasis a few years ago.

If you think the rules are not uniformly enforced or that certain players get "star" treatment I'm not going to argue those points. But personally, I don't think it's much different, in terms of uniformity, than other levels of basketball or other sports.

As we all know, officiating is not easy and IMO basketball is by far the toughest sport to officiate. In the NBA you are dealing with the biggest and freakiest athletes on the planet. It's easy to second guess a relatively high percentage of the calls and argue that the officiating is not consistent. To me that's more of a reflection of the nature of basketball officiating and the size, talent, and skill of the NBA players.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I would love to see this documentation and so would many federal prosecutors. What you are suggesting is that the NBA league office is committing felonies and that the officials are complicit in these crimes.

The NBA rules, like all professional sports leagues, are somewhat driven by entertainment as that is how they generate revenue and survive as a league. That may mean allowing an extra half step for a spectacular finish or some other rule that a basketball "purist" may not like. If you don't like, watch, or support the league then that's every individual's peragotive.

But to suggest that the league is fixing outcomes and that the documentation is all over the place is a very strong statement, and a foolish one IMO. And in doing so you, whether you want to admit it or not, are also questioning the integrity of the officials which I find beyond distatsteful on an officiating message board. To me it is no different than the ignorant fan at any level of basketball who think that officials have some bias against their team or are the reason that they lose games.

Yep!!!

Peace