table error makes ref look bad

[Raymond]

You know how no one remembers who the speaking captains are? Well when I'm reporting fouls I totally zone out as to who the official scorer is. I look at the person in the middle of the table (usually the timer). Works out well b/c I notice that they echo what I said to the 2 scorers.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

For the JUCO Tournament, it's required by the league.

Also for WIAA, (RockyRoad & the others can verify) for playoff games the scoreboard is used for not just the time, but for the foul counts.

Again, from the officials' perspective, it doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Nowhere did I say it was required of the timer to make eye contact with the Reporting Official, I said it was a recommendation that the timer also make eye contact.

No, you said:

Originally Posted by chseagle

When reporting the foul, make sure to have eye contact with the scorer & timer, so that both receive the information.

My point is that if the timer wants/needs the info, it's his responsbility to get it. It's not on the official.

Originally Posted by chseagle

BTW Table crews are not sexist as both men & women work the table.

Good grief. If I was easily offended, I might think you were accusing me of being sexist simply because I failed to make my sentence more difficult to read.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good grief. If I was easily offended, I might think you were accusing me of being sexist simply because I failed to make my sentence more difficult to read.

If you didn't notice, I did add in her & she in your original quote. Hence why when I say things pertaining to table operations I am mentioning a specific position & not gender, as the table crews can be mixed.

Though in some ways it'd be easier to have an all-male table crew (less raging hormones) LMAO

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Again, from the officials' perspective, it doesn't matter.

Ok when next season comes around, when I'm timer/scoreboard I'll just have the time on the board and nothing else. If I get yelled at for that, I'll tell whoever is yelling at me that I was told it is not required information & that I got that information from you so they'll have to complain to you as well.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Ok when next season comes around, when I'm timer/scoreboard I'll just have the time on the board and nothing else. If I get yelled at for that, I'll tell whoever is yelling at me that I was told it is not required information & that I got that information from you so they'll have to complain to you as well.

Come on CHS!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Ok when next season comes around, when I'm timer/scoreboard I'll just have the time on the board and nothing else. If I get yelled at for that, I'll tell whoever is yelling at me that I was told it is not required information & that I got that information from you so they'll have to complain to you as well.

It's required for you to do your job. It is not a requirement for the officials. That's where your confusion comes in. The only thing we (officials) need on the scoreboard is the time, it's the only OFFICIAL information that is displayed. All other OFFICIAL info is in the book--personal fouls; running score; team fouls; time-outs; team members; players' numbers.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Ok when next season comes around, when I'm timer/scoreboard I'll just have the time on the board and nothing else. If I get yelled at for that, I'll tell whoever is yelling at me that I was told it is not required information & that I got that information from you so they'll have to complain to you as well.

Here's the kicker. You'll get yelled at, the officials won't. I'll repeat myself one more time on this: if the timer wants/needs the information, it's up to him/her/it/them/thym/whatever to pay attention and get it. I'm not slowing down to make sure two people are making eye contact with me before I report.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's required for you to do your job. It is not a requirement for the officials. That's where your confusion comes in. The only thing we (officials) need on the scoreboard is the time, it's the only OFFICIAL information that is displayed. All other OFFICIAL info is in the book--personal fouls; running score; team fouls; time-outs; team members; players' numbers.

Thank you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You know how no one remembers who the speaking captains are? Well when I'm reporting fouls I totally zone out as to who the official scorer is. I look at the person in the middle of the table (usually the timer). Works out well b/c I notice that they echo what I said to the 2 scorers.

In reality, I tend to do this as well. One of the things I'm working on is to actually look at the scorer rather than the timer.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Come on CHS!

At least you caught on that I was being sarcastic. (although I didn't put any emotes)

I know that the information on the scoreboard is mainly there for the fans.

Depending on the table crew, however, the timer is the most constant one looking at the reporting official.

Remember awhile back, the topic about table setup, it is for reasons like this that I was asking. The primary constant is that the timer is in the center of the table. The scorer is never always on the same spot every game, even though the timer & scorer are to be seated next to one another.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In reality, I tend to do this as well. One of the things I'm working on is to actually look at the scorer rather than the timer.

Probably because the scorers don't carry tasers.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In reality, I tend to do this as well. One of the things I'm working on is to actually look at the scorer rather than the timer.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Probably because the scorers don't carry tasers.

Technically it's the scorer that is supposed to record that information not the timer. Although the timer records the information on the scoreboard, it's not the timer's responsibility.

What would happen if I decided to be a scorer for a game?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What would happen if I decided to be a scorer for a game?

Speaking for officials everywhere, we really don't give a sh!t.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Speaking for officials everywhere, we really don't give a sh!t.

I am trained in all table positions, for one. Even though it's been about 10 years since I've actually done scorer duties.

Did you ask everyone what their thoughts are? If not, then technically you cannot speak for everyone.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by jurassic referee

speaking for officials everywhere, we really don't give a sh!t.

+1

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Did you ask everyone what their thoughts are? If not, then technically you cannot speak for everyone.

In this case, he can.