table error makes ref look bad

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

When reporting the foul, make sure to have eye contact with the scorer & timer, so that both receive the information.

Whyinthehell would we care if the timer knows who committed a foul? The only official information on the scoreboard is the time.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Whyinthehell would we care if the timer knows who committed a foul? The only official information on the scoreboard is the time.

recording the foul on the scoreboard, for one. even if not official. Also depending on the communication structure of the table, the timer assists the scorer with who scored &/or fouled.

If the only official item on the scoreboard is the time, then why have everything else posted as well? The coaches use both the scoreboard & the scorebook(s) for information pertaining to the score & fouls.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

recording the foul on the scoreboard, for one. even if not official. Also depending on the communication structure of the table, the timer assists the scorer with who scored &/or fouled.

If the only official item on the scoreboard is the time, then why have everything else posted as well? The coaches use both the scoreboard & the scorebook(s) for information pertaining to the score & fouls.

JR point is simple; we don't care if the timer knows or not. If he doesn't know but needs to, he can get it from the scorer. My only concern is that the scorer gets it. Anyone beyond that is irrelevant to me.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If the only official item on the scoreboard is the time, then why have everything else posted as well? The coaches use both the scoreboard & the scorebook(s) for information pertaining to the score & fouls.

The rest of that information on the scoreboard is superfluous. There's a reason why games can be done with a scoreboard that only has the time and the score. Team fouls and player foul counts are just for the fans. I'm not going to ensure the timer is paying attention. If he does, good for him. If he doesn't, not my problem.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The rest of that information on the scoreboard is superfluous. There's a reason why games can be done with a scoreboard that only has the time and the score. Team fouls and player foul counts are just for the fans. I'm not going to ensure the timer is paying attention. If he does, good for him. If he doesn't, not my problem.

Even then, the score isn't official. I could do one without a scoreboard and be perfectly happy. Just give me a clock and an arrow.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Even then, the score isn't official. I could do one without a scoreboard and be perfectly happy. Just give me a clock and an arrow.

Well...I'm not going to go that far.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Even then, the score isn't official. I could do one without a scoreboard and be perfectly happy. Just give me a clock and an arrow.

And no team foul count.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

This is beyond unacceptable for any crew working a state tournament game.Get through the game and report it to the appropriate authority (School AD or tournament assignor).In my games I get the foul recorded while my partners make sure the officials get any subs in.This is because I employ a two part procedure for recording fouls-A.Cross out the personal foul in the players foul count & B.-Record player # committing foul next to the appropriate # team foul.It gives me a second check if a coach wants to question my foul count.
Varsity crews (table and floor) are supposed to be the best of the best (especially at this time of year).At my school we take pride in providing one of the most experienced table crews for our area (2 vice principals who were coaches and myself).I am curious as to the experience level of this crew rsl-were they kids,adults, or a mix?In our state crews (during the playoffs) are supposed to be made up of adults.I worked three road playoff games for my school last week and found only one crew to follow this rule.The other two crews had one adult running the main board and kids doing the book and shot clocks.

[rsl]

The crew was all adults, but young adults in their twenties. I am guessing they hired students from the university hosting the tournament. They were mostly professional. There was a large contingent of referees right behind the table. Our association often shows up to support the refs who get the state bids. That is why I was there. The timer clearly knew some of the referees and was joking with us, maybe more than he should when he was working.

I must the say the quality surprised me a little. It is the first round with eight games lasting all day. This was the last game of the night and I'm sure they were a little tired. Also, only having two refs surprised me as well. I expected three man crews for the state tournament. Overall though, the officials were good and one of the two games I watched was really competitive.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

This is beyond unacceptable for any crew working a state tournament game.Get through the game and report it to the appropriate authority (School AD or tournament assignor).In my games I get the foul recorded while my partners make sure the officials get any subs in.This is because I employ a two part procedure for recording fouls-A.Cross out the personal foul in the players foul count & B.-Record player # committing foul next to the appropriate # team foul.It gives me a second check if a coach wants to question my foul count.
Varsity crews (table and floor) are supposed to be the best of the best (especially at this time of year).At my school we take pride in providing one of the most experienced table crews for our area (2 vice principals who were coaches and myself).I am curious as to the experience level of this crew rsl-were they kids,adults, or a mix?In our state crews (during the playoffs) are supposed to be made up of adults.I worked three road playoff games for my school last week and found only one crew to follow this rule.The other two crews had one adult running the main board and kids doing the book and shot clocks.

SCalScoreKeeper,

Since you do Varsity games, what's the level of communication like between you & the timer?

How important is it to you that there is that communication between you & the timer?

Concerning those schools that did not follow the rules is there anything that you might be able to do about it?