table error makes ref look bad

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If the only official item on the scoreboard is the time, then why have everything else posted as well? The coaches use both the scoreboard & the scorebook(s) for information pertaining to the score & fouls.

The rest of that information on the scoreboard is superfluous. There's a reason why games can be done with a scoreboard that only has the time and the score. Team fouls and player foul counts are just for the fans. I'm not going to ensure the timer is paying attention. If he does, good for him. If he doesn't, not my problem.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The rest of that information on the scoreboard is superfluous. There's a reason why games can be done with a scoreboard that only has the time and the score. Team fouls and player foul counts are just for the fans. I'm not going to ensure the timer is paying attention. If he does, good for him. If he doesn't, not my problem.

Even then, the score isn't official. I could do one without a scoreboard and be perfectly happy. Just give me a clock and an arrow.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Even then, the score isn't official. I could do one without a scoreboard and be perfectly happy. Just give me a clock and an arrow.

Well...I'm not going to go that far.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Even then, the score isn't official. I could do one without a scoreboard and be perfectly happy. Just give me a clock and an arrow.

And no team foul count.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

This is beyond unacceptable for any crew working a state tournament game.Get through the game and report it to the appropriate authority (School AD or tournament assignor).In my games I get the foul recorded while my partners make sure the officials get any subs in.This is because I employ a two part procedure for recording fouls-A.Cross out the personal foul in the players foul count & B.-Record player # committing foul next to the appropriate # team foul.It gives me a second check if a coach wants to question my foul count.
Varsity crews (table and floor) are supposed to be the best of the best (especially at this time of year).At my school we take pride in providing one of the most experienced table crews for our area (2 vice principals who were coaches and myself).I am curious as to the experience level of this crew rsl-were they kids,adults, or a mix?In our state crews (during the playoffs) are supposed to be made up of adults.I worked three road playoff games for my school last week and found only one crew to follow this rule.The other two crews had one adult running the main board and kids doing the book and shot clocks.

[rsl]

The crew was all adults, but young adults in their twenties. I am guessing they hired students from the university hosting the tournament. They were mostly professional. There was a large contingent of referees right behind the table. Our association often shows up to support the refs who get the state bids. That is why I was there. The timer clearly knew some of the referees and was joking with us, maybe more than he should when he was working.

I must the say the quality surprised me a little. It is the first round with eight games lasting all day. This was the last game of the night and I'm sure they were a little tired. Also, only having two refs surprised me as well. I expected three man crews for the state tournament. Overall though, the officials were good and one of the two games I watched was really competitive.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

That's a long day! There is one school in another association out here which schedules its boys and girls basketball tournaments on the same week and same days.These are immediately after Christmas so they get their alumni college students to work the table during the day and their regular crew for the last two games.The game times are 9AM,10:30 AM,12:00 PM,1:30 PM,3:00 PM,4:30 PM,6:00 PM,and 7:30 PM.They would alternate boys and girls games by time.They total 32 games worked in 4 days.
At our school we run boys and girls basketball tournaments but on back to back weeks.My total of games worked is 24 games in six days for those two weeks (Thurs-Sat.)

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

This is beyond unacceptable for any crew working a state tournament game.Get through the game and report it to the appropriate authority (School AD or tournament assignor).In my games I get the foul recorded while my partners make sure the officials get any subs in.This is because I employ a two part procedure for recording fouls-A.Cross out the personal foul in the players foul count & B.-Record player # committing foul next to the appropriate # team foul.It gives me a second check if a coach wants to question my foul count.
Varsity crews (table and floor) are supposed to be the best of the best (especially at this time of year).At my school we take pride in providing one of the most experienced table crews for our area (2 vice principals who were coaches and myself).I am curious as to the experience level of this crew rsl-were they kids,adults, or a mix?In our state crews (during the playoffs) are supposed to be made up of adults.I worked three road playoff games for my school last week and found only one crew to follow this rule.The other two crews had one adult running the main board and kids doing the book and shot clocks.

SCalScoreKeeper,

Since you do Varsity games, what's the level of communication like between you & the timer?

How important is it to you that there is that communication between you & the timer?

Concerning those schools that did not follow the rules is there anything that you might be able to do about it?

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Eagle,

I will handle these questions in reverse order!

*Unfortunately there is no consequence for violating this regulation so there is really no point in reporting it.All of the playoff table crews I have seen so far have done an excellent job this year.We do have official ball contracts with Spalding to use certain models of volleyball,basketball,and soccer balls and there is a consequence for violating that regulation (loss of one home playoff contest-if eliminated will carry over to next season).

*The communication between my timer and I is basically limited but essential to the administration of the game.
Pre-Game: Other than the exchange of announcer sheets which contain the rosters and starters of each team it is fairly limited.
In-game:I'll say something if it is off such as team or player fouls or points.Also we'll communicate to make sure he is timing the interval for the right type of time-out.We also both track fouls so we communicate to confirm the fifth foul before hitting the horn.

Since California is a shot clock state the clock operators sit next to each other while the scorers sit next to each other.That basically limits your communication to essential conversations only.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

*The communication between my timer and I is basically limited but essential to the administration of the game.
Pre-Game: Other than the exchange of announcer sheets which contain the rosters and starters of each team it is fairly limited.
In-game:I'll say something if it is off such as team or player fouls or points.Also we'll communicate to make sure he is timing the interval for the right type of time-out.We also both track fouls so we communicate to confirm the fifth foul before hitting the horn.

Since California is a shot clock state the clock operators sit next to each other while the scorers sit next to each other.That basically limits your communication to essential conversations only.

Washington's a shot clock state as well, here for the varsity games at the school I assist at, the shot clock operator is next to the home bench. The Timer & Official Scorer sit in the middle of the table with the other scorer next to the visitors' bench. Of course there is also one sub-V game in the gym before the Varsity games but we've managed to keep the table setup the same.

Unfortunately, for Sub-V games in the secondary gym (where I'm almost always at ) the Official Scorer is next to the home bench, with the timer next to them. The other scorebook is next to the visitors' bench with the shot clock operator. I have tried to change it around to like it is setup in Gym #1 but the coaches want their books next to their benches, which can create discrepancies more times than I care to count.

Unfortunately for the Sub-V games in either gym, it's the timer that handles the AP.

I was curious as to the communication between you & the timer because of the possibility of keeping track of the fouls on the scoreboard.