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Old Mon Feb 21, 2011, 09:45pm
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I really can't blame Boheim on that one. The L definitely gave the intentional signal. I thought they were reviewing it to see if they should upgrade it to a flagrant. Instead, they wiped the intentional. I'm not sure how they could do that under NCAA rules.

Some wierd calls in that game.
That's my point. And I thought it was a perfectly appropriate intentional call, too. And the L clearly, *clearly* signaled the intentional.

My guess is that the C talked the L out of it and it was never reported to the table. Then they usedthe review to see if they should "upgrade" it back to an intentional or to a flagrant. If that's considered an OK way to back out of an intentional, well, what's the point of the preliminary signal in the first place?

I'd love to see Adams take on these calls.
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Old Mon Feb 21, 2011, 09:47pm
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Apparently a signal is not considered binding. What a novel idea.
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Old Mon Feb 21, 2011, 10:00pm
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I must have missed him signaling intentional. Syracuse ends up winning anyways, but I didn't realize you could rescind a call like that. Or can you? What's the NCAA theory on this?
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By rule, can they make that type of change after looking at the monitor?

Who were the officials?
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Old Mon Feb 21, 2011, 10:09pm
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By rule, can they make that type of change after looking at the monitor?

Who were the officials?
From everything I read, they can upgrade a foul -- they cannot downgrade the foul. I'm sure Scrappy or another NCAAM official could confirm or refute this.
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Just saw the replay. The L clearly, though somewhat indecisively, went with the intentional. Maybe the C was stating that it was in 'his area' since it was on his side, but it probably was on the 'talking points dvd' in any event.
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Old Mon Feb 21, 2011, 10:21pm
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From everything I read, they can upgrade a foul -- they cannot downgrade the foul. I'm sure Scrappy or another NCAAM official could confirm or refute this.
That's my understanding too. They sureashell downgraded this one though.
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From everything I read, they can upgrade a foul -- they cannot downgrade the foul. I'm sure Scrappy or another NCAAM official could confirm or refute this.
That is indeed my understanding. You can always upgrade if you have a monitor, but you can't downgrade. Because of this, I've been told to simply never give an intentional signal (if there's a monitor available).
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Old Mon Feb 21, 2011, 10:19pm
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I must have missed him signaling intentional. Syracuse ends up winning anyways, but I didn't realize you could rescind a call like that. Or can you? What's the NCAA theory on this?
I just saw the replay again on ESPN. The L definitely gave the intentional signal.
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Apparently a signal is not considered binding. What a novel idea.
"a signal" isn't. "two opposing signals" are.
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"a signal" isn't. "two opposing signals" are.
Which makes even less sense.
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Are we about to start another blarge discussion where it's JAR vs. the world?
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Are we about to start another blarge discussion where it's JAR vs. the world?
I doubt it. My head still hurts from the last one.
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I doubt it. My head still hurts from the last one.
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And I thought it was a perfectly appropriate intentional call, too.
Me too. He blasted him on a layup.
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