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Rich Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:18pm

Nova / Syracuse rescinded intentional
 
Foul on a breakaway late. L calls an INT on a foul that has considerable contact. From my barstool I could see it going either way.

C gets with the L and they talk. Then they review on the monitor. Then they apparently rescinded the INT. Boheim was not happy.

Is this another case (I'm thinking about the blarge in the Wisconsin/PSU game yesterday) where officials just make it up as they go?

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:34pm

I really can't blame Boheim on that one. The L definitely gave the intentional signal. I thought they were reviewing it to see if they should upgrade it to a flagrant. Instead, they wiped the intentional. I'm not sure how they could do that under NCAA rules.

Some wierd calls in that game.

stiffler3492 Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:38pm

It seemed as though they were searching for a camera angle that showed the official actually making the intentional foul signal, and they didn't find one.

The announcer seemed sure that an intentional was called. What if the official was going up to make the signal...then decided that he had better get a second opinion? The TV replays were inconclusive with what signal the official gave.

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:39pm

Naw. The L definitely made the intentional signal. I can't believe he'd try to say anything different either.

Rich Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 732670)
I really can't blame Boheim on that one. The L definitely gave the intentional signal. I thought they were reviewing it to see if they should upgrade it to a flagrant. Instead, they wiped the intentional. I'm not sure how they could do that under NCAA rules.

Some wierd calls in that game.

That's my point. And I thought it was a perfectly appropriate intentional call, too. And the L clearly, *clearly* signaled the intentional.

My guess is that the C talked the L out of it and it was never reported to the table. Then they usedthe review to see if they should "upgrade" it back to an intentional or to a flagrant. If that's considered an OK way to back out of an intentional, well, what's the point of the preliminary signal in the first place?

I'd love to see Adams take on these calls.

just another ref Mon Feb 21, 2011 09:47pm

Apparently a signal is not considered binding. What a novel idea.

stiffler3492 Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:00pm

I must have missed him signaling intentional. Syracuse ends up winning anyways, but I didn't realize you could rescind a call like that. Or can you? What's the NCAA theory on this?

BktBallRef Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:06pm

By rule, can they make that type of change after looking at the monitor?

Who were the officials?

Rich Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 732687)
By rule, can they make that type of change after looking at the monitor?

Who were the officials?

From everything I read, they can upgrade a foul -- they cannot downgrade the foul. I'm sure Scrappy or another NCAAM official could confirm or refute this.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:14pm

Just saw the replay. The L clearly, though somewhat indecisively, went with the intentional. Maybe the C was stating that it was in 'his area' since it was on his side, but it probably was on the 'talking points dvd' in any event.

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 732682)
I must have missed him signaling intentional. Syracuse ends up winning anyways, but I didn't realize you could rescind a call like that. Or can you? What's the NCAA theory on this?

I just saw the replay again on ESPN. The L definitely gave the intentional signal.

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 732688)
From everything I read, they can upgrade a foul -- they cannot downgrade the foul. I'm sure Scrappy or another NCAAM official could confirm or refute this.

That's my understanding too. They sureashell downgraded this one though.

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 732675)
And I thought it was a perfectly appropriate intentional call, too.

Me too. He blasted him on a layup.

BktBallRef Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:27pm

John Cahill, Michael Stephens, and Ed Corbett.

Cahill and Corbett have both worked National Championship games.

stiffler3492 Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 732728)
John Cahill, Michael Stephens, and Ed Corbett.

Cahill and Corbett have both worked National Championship games.

You sure? I saw Jamie Luckie on the floor.


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