over and back

[ThatOneRef]

Team A shoots the ball, ball hits the rim then deflects off of one of team A's players, the ball proceeds to go backcourt, team A recovers ball. Is this over and back? Team B had NO contact with the ball during all of this.

[bainsey]

Tell us, did Team A control the ball after the shot?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

Team A shoots the ball, ball hits the rim then deflects off of one of team A's players, the ball proceeds to go backcourt, team A recovers ball. Is this over and back? Team B had NO contact with the ball during all of this.

No backcourt violation.

When A shot the ball, they ended their team control. The subsequent deflection does not assign team control to Team A (or B for that matter).

There are 4 requirements for a BC violation:

• Team A has team control
• The ball obtains FC status
• Team A is the last to touch the ball
• Team A is the first to touch the ball after the ball obtains BC status. The position of A and the the position of the ball when A touches the ball, or is touched by the ball, is of no significance.

Since there was no team control, and such team control is 1/4 points above, there cannot be a BC violation.

[refiator]

No. Team control ended on the shot and was never re-established, so there was never front court control. Without control in the front court, there can be no backcourt violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No backcourt violation.

When A shot the ball, they ended their team control. The subsequent deflection does not assign team control to Team A (or B for that matter).

There are 4 requirements for a BC violation:

• Team A has team control
• The ball obtains FC status
• Team A is the last to touch the ball in the FC
• Team A is the first to touch the ball in the BC

Since there was no team control, and such team control is 1/4 points above, there cannot be a BC violation.

You should edit the last point. It should read:

Team A is the first to touch the ball after it has achieved a backcourt status. The ball need not be touched in the backcourt.

[ThatOneRef]

K, so since team A didn't regain possession after the shot it is NOT over and back. Thanks for the clarification guys.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You should edit the last point. It should read:

Team A is the first to touch the ball after it has achieved a backcourt status. The ball need not be touched in the backcourt.

Thanks. The pesky cases where the ball Englishes back to the FC or A reaches across the DL to grab the ball....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

K, so since team A didn't regain possession after the shot it is NOT over and back. Thanks for the clarification guys.

Yep, simple play that you don't know the ruling for, but you're ready to replace all the over the hill guys.

Right.

[ThatOneRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yep, simple play that you don't know the ruling for, but you're ready to replace all the over the hill guys.

Right.

just a simple question old man, don't get your depends in a bunch.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

just a simple question old man, don't get your depends in a bunch.

[JugglingReferee]

And after I posted the picture, he PMs me this:

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

lol, what are you doing on at 3 am? ffs! leave my posts alone! lol

So we know he's on the west coast. Perhaps southern California?

[ThatOneRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

And after I posted the picture, he PMs me this:



So we know he's on the west coast. Perhaps southern California?

Are you serious? I'm really confused... alzheimer's?

[ThatOneRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

And after I posted the picture, he PMs me this:



So we know he's on the west coast. Perhaps southern California?

read where it says "LOCATION" in the top right corner of the posts. GJ (good Job) i cant believe your still being an a$$ about an old 'troll' post. Grow up old man.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

Grow up old man.

Piss off, dickhead. We're over our azzhole quota.

You very obviously know squat about officiating but yet you still spend all your time here making wise-azz remarks instead of asking intelligent questions. If you just want to troll instead of trying to learn something, find someplace else to do it.

Just what we need....more f**king trolls.

[ThatOneRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Piss off, dickhead. We're over our azzhole quota.

You very obviously know squat about officiating but yet you still spend all your time here making wise-azz remarks instead of asking intelligent questions. If you just want to troll instead of trying to learn something, find someplace else to do it.

Just what we need....more f**king trolls.

Come on now, that's enough. Your not going anywhere positive with this. Just stop. Its a legit question and you come here just to be a jerk. Seriously. Grow up.