over and back

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef

Team A shoots the ball, ball hits the rim then deflects off of one of team A's players, the ball proceeds to go backcourt, team A recovers ball. Is this over and back? Team B had NO contact with the ball during all of this.

No backcourt violation.

When A shot the ball, they ended their team control. The subsequent deflection does not assign team control to Team A (or B for that matter).

There are 4 requirements for a BC violation:

• Team A has team control
• The ball obtains FC status
• Team A is the last to touch the ball
• Team A is the first to touch the ball after the ball obtains BC status. The position of A and the the position of the ball when A touches the ball, or is touched by the ball, is of no significance.

Since there was no team control, and such team control is 1/4 points above, there cannot be a BC violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No backcourt violation.

When A shot the ball, they ended their team control. The subsequent deflection does not assign team control to Team A (or B for that matter).

There are 4 requirements for a BC violation:

• Team A has team control
• The ball obtains FC status
• Team A is the last to touch the ball in the FC
• Team A is the first to touch the ball in the BC

Since there was no team control, and such team control is 1/4 points above, there cannot be a BC violation.

You should edit the last point. It should read:

Team A is the first to touch the ball after it has achieved a backcourt status. The ball need not be touched in the backcourt.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You should edit the last point. It should read:

Team A is the first to touch the ball after it has achieved a backcourt status. The ball need not be touched in the backcourt.

Thanks. The pesky cases where the ball Englishes back to the FC or A reaches across the DL to grab the ball....

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You should edit the last point. It should read:

Team A is the first to touch the ball after it has achieved a backcourt status. The ball need not be touched in the backcourt.

Also edit the third point -- A need not touch the ball in the FC