Unusual Play tonight (shot clock reset when it shouldn't have )

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This should settle this debate:

A.R. 138. The time on the game clock is 15:30 and the shot clock reads 0:30 for men and 0:25 for women. A1 shoots the ball with five seconds on the shot clock and does not hit the ring or flange. The shot-clock operator, by mistake, resets the shot clock. No one notices the mistake by the shot-clock operator at this time. The game clock gets to 14:55 for men and 15:00 for women and B2 commits a foul against A2. Now the officials get together and realize the shot-clock operator’s mistake.

RULING: When the officials have definite information relative to the
shot-clock operator’s mistake, it is permissible to rectify that mistake. In this case, since the officials have definite information relative to the time involved, they shall put five seconds back on the game clock, cancel the foul and award the ball to Team B at a designated spot nearest to where the ball became dead for the shot-clock violation.
(Rule 5-11.4)

Wow, looks an awful lot like a do-over.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, looks an awful lot like a do-over.

Or a correctable error.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, looks an awful lot like a do-over.

Not a do-over at all, imo.

A do-over would be giving the ball back to A with 5 seconds left (or whatever the time was when they got the rebound).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not a do-over at all, imo.

A do-over would be giving the ball back to A with 5 seconds left (or whatever the time was when they got the rebound).

Yeah, I can see that. The idea of wiping a foul, though, and resetting the clock seems precariously close, IMO. Even a CE doesn't involve negating a foul.

[Jeremy Hohn]

Well this is what I did. I brought the coaches together to which the home coach said "jeremy, we have a new shot clock operator, and you will have to watch her"

I told both this. I KNOW that more than 7 seconds went off the clock and now since we have lost 10 seconds off the game clock, we are going to add 3 seconds to the game clock, and award the ball to the home team due to the visiting team allowing the shot clock to expire.

The clock was verified at 7, but a good couple seconds after the inbound, the operator reset. Yes, we should have caught it, and working with a couple relatively new NCAA rules officials, I should have looked again.

Lesson learned, and both coaches had no problem with the ruling.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yeah, I can see that. The idea of wiping a foul, though, and resetting the clock seems precariously close, IMO. Even a CE doesn't involve negating a foul.

It is simply using the principle of "definite knowledge" to reset the clock; you're not resetting the clock back to the original time, only back to the time where it was determined the violation occured. Then, as far as the "foul" is concerned, it would be no different than if you saw contact after the horn went off - you simply ignore it unless it was intentional or flagrant, since the violation occured first.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

It is simply using the principle of "definite knowledge" to reset the clock; you're not resetting the clock back to the original time, only back to the time where it was determined the violation occured. Then, as far as the "foul" is concerned, it would be no different than if you saw contact after the horn went off - you simply ignore it unless it was intentional or flagrant, since the violation occured first.

A retroactive dead ball? Do we do that for anything else 10 seconds after the fact?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A retroactive dead ball? Do we do that for anything else 10 seconds after the fact?

How about an end-of-game scenario? Same play, but instead of the shot clock at 7, it's the game clock. After an amount of time (say, 17 seconds) with the ball inbounds, a foul occurs to send a player to the line with a chance to win the game. However, after checking the monitor, it was determined the clock started about 10 seconds after it should have, and the foul occured well after the 7 seconds that should've run off the game clock. Wouldn't the ruling be the same?

(Yes, I know the officials should be watching the clock, counting, etc. so that this shouldn't happen.)