Judgement v Missed Rule

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not sure where you're heading with this. Yes, you're right. OOB calls are judgment calls. Not sure what I was thinking.

I'm just saying, lets get it right.

Some have said dont help on judgment calls but we always help on OOB calls. Just wanted clarify if that was a judgment call.

In the OP its a competitive GJV game with :04 left in the 3rd Q & no negative reaction from the players/bench... play on. Afterall, they have 8 minutes to recover from the ICC, right

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I'm just saying, lets get it right.

Some have said dont help on judgment calls but we always help on OOB calls. Just wanted clarify if that was a judgment call.

In the OP its a competitive GJV game with :04 left in the 3rd Q & no negative reaction from the players/bench... play on. Afterall, they have 8 minutes to recover from the ICC, right

No, I don't always help on OOB calls; only if I'm confident I saw something the calling official missed. Even then, some officials on this forum have different criteria for doing that.

To me, the BC call is closer to a travel call than an OOB call, especially when a determination of control is involved such as the OP. I have helped partners with this call; most recently on a throwin from the FC endline that landed 15 feet into the BC. Partner called the violation, I went and had a chat with her to discuss it. But if the pass and catch had been close enough that I thought she might have judged control was gained in the FC, I'd have let it go.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, I don't always help on OOB calls; only if I'm confident I saw something the calling official missed. Even then, some officials on this forum have different criteria for doing that.

To me, the BC call is closer to a travel call than an OOB call, especially when a determination of control is involved such as the OP. I have helped partners with this call; most recently on a throwin from the FC endline that landed 15 feet into the BC. Partner called the violation, I went and had a chat with her to discuss it. But if the pass and catch had been close enough that I thought she might have judged control was gained in the FC, I'd have let it go.

That was a given

Makes sense.

I saw an NBA official head towards a partner after an IC on OOB which resulted in a huge negative "fan" reaction. The calling official didnt allow the helper to come all the way to him, he just said, "oh, you have it the other way?" hit the whistle & changed his call. It took all of 2 seconds & looked really good... trust! They must've pregamed "if I'm headed your way I'm 110% sure."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

That was a given

Makes sense.

I saw an NBA official head towards a partner after an IC on OOB which resulted in a huge negative "fan" reaction. The calling official didnt allow the helper to come all the way to him, he just said, "oh, you have it the other way?" hit the whistle & changed his call. It took all of 2 seconds & looked really good... trust! They must've pregamed "if I'm headed your way I'm 110% sure."

Right, that's the approach some on here take. "If you come to me, I'll assume you're right so I'm changing the call."

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, I don't always help on OOB calls; only if I'm confident I saw something the calling official missed. Even then, some officials on this forum have different criteria for doing that.

To me, the BC call is closer to a travel call than an OOB call, especially when a determination of control is involved such as the OP. I have helped partners with this call; most recently on a throwin from the FC endline that landed 15 feet into the BC. Partner called the violation, I went and had a chat with her to discuss it. But if the pass and catch had been close enough that I thought she might have judged control was gained in the FC, I'd have let it go.

There's so many moving parts to BC that it's sometime like traveling and sometimes like OOB.

For instance, if you as L have the ball down in your corner and see a deflection from B and A clearly recovers in the BC, you're going to correct it like an OOB. On the other hand, if A is right around the line, you have a harder time. Did you partner notice the touch and A just got to it before it went across or did he not see the touch and A wasn't the last to touch in the front court.

I think if A recovers it near the line you're just going to have to trust your partner.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

There's so many moving parts to BC that it's sometime like traveling and sometimes like OOB.

For instance, if you as L have the ball down in your corner and see a deflection from B and A clearly recovers in the BC, you're going to correct it like an OOB. On the other hand, if A is right around the line, you have a harder time. Did you partner notice the touch and A just got to it before it went across or did he not see the touch and A wasn't the last to touch in the front court.

I think if A recovers it near the line you're just going to have to trust your partner.

Exactly, and the OP was more like traveling in that he couldn't tell if control was established in the FC.