Principle of Verticality

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

"how the hell can you call a charge on a guy when the defender is in the air?" I reply "veritcality". He says "Oh, OK.... wait- what?" Repeat.

There it is. This is what I believe to be one of the many myths we battle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There it is. This is what I believe to be one of the many myths we battle.

Yep, but his response indicates he's aware of the rule but not overly familiar with it's applications.

My guess is that LGP is more likely the rule they aren't even aware of, whereas they're simply confused about verticality.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, but his response indicates he's aware of the rule but not overly familiar with it's applications.

I don't know about that. Let's find out.

Hey Zeedonk, would you say the AC was completely ignorant of the verticality concept?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't know about that. Let's find out.

Hey Zeedonk, would you say the AC was completely ignorant of the verticality concept?

Good grief. Try this little experiment.

Next time a defender contacts a shooter while vertical, call the foul. I can virtually guarantee the coach will cry that his defender was vertical.

I was taught verticality by a subpar middle school coach back in the 80s. Commentators use the terminology all the time on TV. People know of the concept/principal, even if they don't understand it.

[zeedonk]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't know about that. Let's find out.
Hey Zeedonk, would you say the AC was completely ignorant of the verticality concept?

No, I don't believe he was... I think he's aware of it, but I suppose that call isn't made very often, and when it is, everyone who doesn't know the rule stops for a second and replays it in their mind and decides that the call should be a block, because the defender was airborne...

I think in general, the coaches will acknowledge verticality when it takes the form of their defender standing and holding his/her arms straight up. It totally throws them for a loss when the defender becomes airborne, and I guarantee that if I make that call and their guy is on defense, the HC or AC will turn to the next coach in line and snicker "boy he screwed up that call didn't he? I mean our guy was way up in the air! Hee Hee!"

Like I said in my post, I have no idea why the defender jumped in the air, but he did and I'm pretty sure if I blew the call and called a block because I wasn't expecting him to jump, nobody would have said boo...

Z

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

No, I don't believe he was... I think he's aware of it, but I suppose that call isn't made very often, and when it is, everyone who doesn't know the rule stops for a second and replays it in their mind and decides that the call should be a block, because the defender was airborne...

"Misunderstood" wins, then. Thanks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

Like I said in my post, I have no idea why the defender jumped in the air, but he did and I'm pretty sure if I blew the call and called a block because I wasn't expecting him to jump, nobody would have said boo...

Z

They would have around here.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

1) No, I don't believe he was... I think he's aware of it, but I suppose that call isn't made very often, and when it is, everyone who doesn't know the rule stops for a second and replays it in their mind and decides that the call should be a block, because the defender was airborne...

I think in general, the coaches will acknowledge verticality when it takes the form of their defender standing and holding his/her arms straight up. It totally throws them for a loss when the defender becomes airborne, and I guarantee that if I make that call and their guy is on defense, the HC or AC will turn to the next coach in line and snicker "boy he screwed up that call didn't he? I mean our guy was way up in the air! Hee Hee!"

Like I said in my post, I have no idea why the defender jumped in the air, but he did and I'm pretty sure if I blew the call and called a block because I wasn't expecting him to jump, nobody would have said boo...

Regarding the highlighted sentences, from an official's standpoint who gives a damn what "everyone" or any coach thinks? Or if anbody says boo? The important part is that you knew the rule and you made the correct call. That's all that really matters.

[zeedonk]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Regarding the highlighted sentences, from an official's standpoint who gives a damn what "everyone" or any coach thinks? Or if anbody says boo? The important part is that you knew the rule and you made the correct call. That's all that really matters.

I agree. I knew I was right, didn't think twice about it.

Now, while I head out to my local CYO games, I bet I will hear a lot more about a lot less!!!!

Z

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

would have said boo...

Dear Z:
I claim trademark on this verbal construction, in perpetuity, within this forum. Please refrain from using it in the future.

[26 Year Gap]

One of the common plays that involves the principle of verticality is when the offensive player has the ball either under the backboard or behind it and leaps back to make a try at the hoop. The defender goes straight up and there is contact. I've got nothing or I've got an offensive foul.