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[bainsey]

Originally Posted by mbyron

You're dodging the point. A bad call in the first quarter puts a team at a disadvantage which they have time to overcome.

Not dodging anything, mb. If anything, I'm disputing it. Just because something can be overcome does not change the fact that an early kick still can affect a game. That was my point.

In that respect, the late bad call is distinct from the early one, and in a close game might be sufficient to decide, determine, or otherwise affect the outcome.

Never on its own. There's too much going on in the course of 32 (40, 48, etc.) minutes for one play to decide anything.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Not dodging anything, mb. If anything, I'm disputing it. Just because something can be overcome does not change the fact that an early kick still can affect a game. That was my point.

And I'm still not sure with whom you were arguing his point, because no one disputed it.

The dispute was with your "just as much" insinuation.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Never on its own. There's too much going on in the course of 32 (40, 48, etc.) minutes for one play to decide anything.

So: tie game, last second shot, no contact, official mistakenly calls a shooting foul, shooter sinks the first FT to win the game.

That's not a bad call determining the outcome? Or you're going to tell me that the FT contributed.

Well then how about this one: team down by 2, last second shot, clearly off in time, official mistakenly waves it off, shot goes in (if it's a 2 we should go to OT, if it's a 3 the game's over). That's not a bad call determining the outcome?

Again: it seems to me that you're not just wrong, you're obviously wrong. I can't imagine why you're disputing these points.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by mbyron

So: tie game, last second shot, no contact, official mistakenly calls a shooting foul, shooter sinks the first FT to win the game.

That's not a bad call determining the outcome? Or you're going to tell me that the FT contributed.

Well then how about this one: team down by 2, last second shot, clearly off in time, official mistakenly waves it off, shot goes in (if it's a 2 we should go to OT, if it's a 3 the game's over). That's not a bad call determining the outcome?

Again: it seems to me that you're not just wrong, you're obviously wrong. I can't imagine why you're disputing these points.

The score being tied and then within 2 points when the error occurred determined the outcome. If these mistakes happen in a 20 point game, they are barely noticed. They had a big effect for sure, but they cannot in and of themselves decide the game.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

The score being tied and then within 2 points when the error occurred determined the outcome. If these mistakes happen in a 20 point game, they are barely noticed. They had a big effect for sure, but they cannot in and of themselves decide the game.

There it is.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Again: it seems to me that you're not just wrong, you're obviously wrong. I can't imagine why you're disputing these points.

Three pages in and I'm wondering the same thing. Seems pretty obvious to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Three pages in and I'm wondering the same thing. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Because he's hung up on the term "decide."