FTs with no time on clock

[Johnny Ringo]

End of the 4th quarter, score is tied & player was fouled. Officials put player on the line for a two-shot foul with no time on the clock.

They clear the FT lane. Player makes first FT and celebration begins.

By rule, do you have to shoot the second FT? And can the lane be occupied of opposing team wants to stand there?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

End of the 4th quarter, score is tied & player was fouled. Officials put player on the line for a two-shot foul with no time on the clock. They clear the FT lane. Player makes first FT and celebration begins. By rule, do you have to shoot the second FT? And can the lane be occupied of opposing team wants to stand there?

Did the horn ending the fourth period sound?

If yes: No players are allowed on the lane lines because the ball will become dead after the last free throw. Also, no need to take the second free throw. The game is over.

If no: (After checking that the automatic horn is indeed on) Players are allowed on the lane lines, since the ball will become alive after the last free throw. In fact, two defensive players must be on the two lower marked lane spaces. The second shot must be taken, because the game isn't over until the horn ending the fourth period sounds.

[Johnny Ringo]

Thanks. I have seen situations where the outcome is certainly decided and a foul was committed with horn sounded and a player allowed to shoot FTS.

Another question: what would you say to the other team's coach about this situation when they ask how can you shoot FTs with no time on the clock and he requests to put time back on the clock?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Thanks. I have seen situations where the outcome is certainly decided and a foul was committed with horn sounded and a player allowed to shoot FTS.

Another question: what would you say to the other team's coach about this situation when they ask how can you shoot FTs with no time on the clock and he requests to put time back on the clock?

"The foul occurred before the horn or at the horn"

"No."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

End of the 4th quarter, score is tied & player was fouled. Officials put player on the line for a two-shot foul with no time on the clock.

They clear the FT lane. Player makes first FT and celebration begins.

By rule, do you have to shoot the second FT? And can the lane be occupied of opposing team wants to stand there?

The only way to shoot the 2nd shot is if before leaving the visual confines of the playing area, that same team is issued a technical foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Thanks. I have seen situations where the outcome is certainly decided and a foul was committed with horn sounded and a player allowed to shoot FTS.

Then the officials were wrong.

Another question: what would you say to the other team's coach about this situation when they ask how can you shoot FTs with no time on the clock and he requests to put time back on the clock?

Rule 5-6-2 Excp 3.

(This is another of those "other official don't believe me, so I post it here for them to read" scenarios, right?)

[Johnny Ringo]

Why Bob? Why?

And I never said other officials. People in general.

What did I ever do to you?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Why Bob? Why?

And I never said other officials. People in general.

What did I ever do to you?

I don't think bob meant any malice by his comment.

[Johnny Ringo]

He often comments on my posts and I don't understand why. I have been a frequent visitor to this forum since 2005 and have NEVER posted anything negative towards anyone.

I have found these boards to be a great tool for learning. Better than most association meetings/clinics. I have pointed several coaches and basketball fans in general here to follow and learn.

I post situations I see seeking advice or clarification on a situation or rule. What is the purpose of this forum if not that.

Thanks to all who contribute and make this a great place to learn.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

He often comments on my posts and I don't understand why.

Don't worry about it. The "heat" you get from bob jenkins, or a few other esteemed members, is nothing compared to the "heat" you get from players, coaches, and fans, during a "heated" game. Maybe these esteemed members are just trying to toughen you up. Please keep on posting.

One thing that I can say about bob jenkins is, "Always listen to bob". You can take that to the bank.

[Johnny Ringo]

Thanks BillyMac. I listen and learn from all of them. I have matured into a varsity-level official getting state playoff games and owe a lot of that to the information learned on this board.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Thanks BillyMac. I listen and learn from all of them. I have matured into a varsity-level official getting state playoff games and owe a lot of that to the information learned on this board.

Bob is merely expressing his hope that as a varsity official getting playoff games you would already know the answer to these very basic questions.
Personally I wonder why your friends don't believe you yet will believe the consensus of a group of strangers on the internet.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bob is merely expressing his hope that as a varsity official getting playoff games you would already know the answer to these very basic questions.
Personally I wonder why your friends don't believe you yet will believe the consensus of a group of strangers on the internet.

+1

A state tournament official should have credibility with his fellow officials.

Personally the thing that bothers me is that Johnny never posts an applciable rules or case citation. As in "I read rule 1-2-3 and I think it applies but I'm not sure".

[Johnny Ringo]

BadNewsRef: Thanks for sharing what bothers you. I will work on that in the future. I did not know that was a pre-requisite of posting a situation.

I never said anything about not having credibility with fellow officials. Simply stated that these boards are used by non-officials as well - coaches and fans.

I really don't want to be an enemy, pest or a bothersome on this board. Thanks again to all.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

BadNewsRef: Thanks for sharing what bothers you. I will work on that in the future. I did not know that was a pre-requisite of posting a situation.

I never said anything about not having credibility with fellow officials. Simply stated that these boards are used by non-officials as well - coaches and fans.

I really don't want to be an enemy, pest or a bothersome on this board. Thanks again to all.

You're not an enemy. It's just like Bob said in a previous post this week (and I said in a thread a long time ago) that you have been around here for quite a while and yet you ask some pretty basic questions. I know you have to know the answers to some of these questions you ask. It comes across as disingenuous.

If you have all these people around you who don't know the rules and don't trust your interpretations of the rules they aren't going to be any more believing b/c some anonymous folks on the internet said so. They would benefit more from some instruction on how to read a rule book, IMO.