Traveling

[jophyal]

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3) player drops to his knee while holding the ball

Always traveling anytime a player holding the ball tocuhes the floor with any part of his body other than his foot or hand.

Does that apply if he continues his dribble and stands up?

[APG]

Originally Posted by jophyal

Quote:
3) player drops to his knee while holding the ball

Always traveling anytime a player holding the ball tocuhes the floor with any part of his body other than his foot or hand.

Does that apply if he continues his dribble and stands up?

Ask yourself this, is it possible to travel while dribbling?

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by jophyal

Quote:
3) player drops to his knee while holding the ball

Always traveling anytime a player holding the ball tocuhes the floor with any part of his body other than his foot or hand.

Does that apply if he continues his dribble and stands up?

Alway? What if a player while gathering the ball momentum takes he or she to the floor.

[BktBallRef]

Why do you guys make this stuff difficult?

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

Alway? What if a player while gathering the ball momentum takes he or she to the floor.

We said from the get-go if the player was HOLDING the ball. If he's holding the ball when he touches the floor with anythign other than his hand or foot, it's traveling.

Originally Posted by jophyal

Quote:
3) player drops to his knee while holding the ball

Always traveling anytime a player holding the ball tocuhes the floor with any part of his body other than his foot or hand.

Does that apply if he continues his dribble and stands up?

If he's HOLDING the ball, he's not DRIBBLING, is he?

You can't travel unless you're HOLDING the ball.*

[Jfpdi]

Quote:
3) player drops to his knee while holding the ball

Always traveling anytime a player holding the ball tocuhes the floor with any part of his body other than his foot or hand.


Always is a strong word because if you are in one of those places that uses NCAA women's rules ( such as colleges) and NYS high school girls basketball this is not a travel violation. It is recognized that just dropping to one kneee does not necessarily mean the pivot foot moved illegally.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Quote:
3) player drops to his knee while holding the ball

Always traveling anytime a player holding the ball tocuhes the floor with any part of his body other than his foot or hand.


Always is a strong word because if you are in one of those places that uses NCAA women's rules ( such as colleges) and NYS high school girls basketball this is not a travel violation. It is recognized that just dropping to one knee does not necessarily mean the pivot foot moved illegally.

Huh? That's not the provision being violated.

[Jfpdi]

Before it is a travelling violation the player has to fail to maintain the pivot foot. Just dropping to one knee does not mean the player failed to maintain the pivot foot in NCAA.

Case Book A.R. 117.3
"When a player falls to one knee while holding the ball, it is traveling if the pivot foot moves."
(Rule 4-70.6 and 4-70.1)

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Before it is a travelling violation the player has to fail to maintain the pivot foot. Just dropping to one knee does not mean the player failed to maintain the pivot foot in NCAA.

Case Book A.R. 117.3
"When a player falls to one knee while holding the ball, it is traveling if the pivot foot moves."
(Rule 4-70.6 and 4-70.1)

And you did notice, "because it is virtually impossible not to move the pivot foot when falling to the playing floor" in the ruling on 1 & 2?

[Jfpdi]

1. refers to falling to the floor while holding the ball without maintaining a pivot foot, which of course is a violation.

2. states the player dropped to both knees without maintaining a pivot foot, of course a violation.

Yes it states it is vitually impossible to fall and maintain a pivot foot, but all 3 state that the pivot foot must move for the violation to occur. Just dropping to one knee does not mean that the pivot foot moved.

I believe this was also a quiz in a recent "Referee" magazine and it did distinguish between Fed and NCAA interpretations on dropping to one knee. Fed it is a travel violation. In NCAA the pivot foot must move.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Always is a strong word because if you are in one of those places that uses NCAA women's rules ( such as colleges) and NYS high school girls basketball this is not a travel violation. It is recognized that just dropping to one kneee does not necessarily mean the pivot foot moved illegally.

Rule reference please...

[cmhjordan23]

What if player with the ball is flat on his back and does a sit-up to a sitting position?

I would say this is not a travel since your already on the ground.

[APG]

Originally Posted by cmhjordan23

What if player with the ball is flat on his back and does a sit-up to a sitting position?

I would say this is not a travel since your already on the ground.

Case book play 4.44.5 Situation B answers your question exactly.

[CecilOne]

Most of that, too.

[jTheUmp]

Understanding the rules of "traveling vs not traveling", at least for me, is the easy part.

The hard part is being able to pick out the traveling violations in a game situation. As it stands right now, at least once a game I'll see a traveling violation, and my brain will lock up and do the "ummm... uh.... uh..... oh yeah, that's a travel" routine. The problem is that by the time my brain gets to "that's a travel", 2-3 seconds have passed and it's really too late to call it.

It also seems like my partners usually are calling more traveling violations then I am during the course of a game.

Any tips on how I can improve my "that's a travel" awareness?

[tref]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Any tips on how I can improve my "that's a travel" awareness?

I know they tell us to referee the defense, but identifying the pivot foot as soon as the player receives the ball is really the only way to adjudicate properly...

Try a team officiating concept on post entry passes:
L - officiates the defender(s)
T - picks up the pivot foot
C - prepare for the curl play