Interesting End of Game Sequence

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jurassic referee

forget the mythbusters.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Forget the Mythbusters.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

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So, you don't believe that it's a myth that officials can determine the outcome of a game? I think that mbyron, and Snaqwells (see above), think it's a myth.

It is my opinion that many fans, players, and coaches, believe that officials determine the outcome of a game. Officials know that it's only a myth. No different than fans yelling three seconds when the ball is still in the backcourt. This "outcome of the game" myth should not be ignored. It needs to be "busted".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Really? I don't believe I have to do anything but stay white and die.

Since when does "everyone does it" make something right? I stand firm by my belief that you don't change someone's quote. If you don't understand that, you're easily missing how someone can be easily misrepresented by doing so.

You're right, you don't have to. But it'll help keep you blood pressure down. What I meant was (because apparently it wasn't as obvious to you as it was to the rest of us), it's going to keep happening regardless of how twisted your panties get. You can let it go, or you can start looking for blood pressure medication. Your choice.

As for your insistence that "officials decide the game," I think mbyron stated my position better than I could.

I'll just add that continuing to say it that way is similar to signaling traveling on a throwin violation or reporting "over the back" when calling a pushing foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So, you don't believe that it's a myth that officials can determine the outcome of a game? I think that mbyron, and Snaqwells (see above), think it's a myth.

It is my opinion that many fans, players, and coaches, believe that officials determine the outcome of a game. Officials know that it's only a myth. No different than fans yelling three seconds when the ball is still in the backcourt. This "outcome of the game" myth should not be ignored. It needs to be "busted".

He's just saying the "myth busters" schtick is getting old from overuse. I'm not saying he's right, but I'm just sayin'...

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As for your insistence that "officials decide the game,"....

I didn't say that, either.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He's just saying the "myth busters" schtick is getting old from overuse. I'm not saying he's right, but I'm just sayin'...

The Forum keeps getting the same mythological questions from newbies, players, coaches, and fanboys, all the time. The list was a group effort. It's just a simple way to answer these type of questions. Just a simple copy and paste. Boring? Yes. But so are some of the mythological questions we get, on the Forum, and in real life. What's wrong with having a little fun with the same old, same old, questions by using the same old, same old, Mythbusters list?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Your house, your rules, Bob. Where I come from, changing words in a quote is changing what someone said, and that's misrepresentation. I won't do it.

Only if you're actually claiming they said it. The whole context with the "Fixed it for ya" tell you that they are not....that they're modifying it for humor or clarity.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Like this ???

Ahhhhh The good old days. When sarcasm and humor could be quantified!

Of the 10's of 1,000's of games I have seen or been a part of I can honestly say that the outcome of only 3 were the direct result of the officials. (And since 2 were overseas, I'm not sure they count) Everything else came down to the actions of the players. To revisit an earlier 9+ page post, had that game been lost it would have not been b/c of the officials. It would have been due to an extremely slow start, missed defensive assignments and player attitude. Certainly the officials were lacking but they did not determine the outcome of the game..

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As for your insistence that "officials decide the game,"

Originally Posted by bainsey

I didn't say that, either.

You're right, my bad. You wrote:

Originally Posted by bainsey

In a close game, the calls we make in the first three quarters can affect the game's outcome every bit as the last one. If we do our jobs correctly, then people have less to complain about legitimately, but whether we're right or wrong, our actions and reactions affect a game's outcome. To say that we have no effect -- or suggest that we should have no effect -- is very myopic.

Semantically different from what you actually wrote, but either way you're putting the emphasis on the officials where it doesn't belong.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Where I come from, changing words in a quote is changing what someone said, and that's misrepresentation. I won't do it.

I come from just about where you come from, and I don't see the red letter treatment that way. JMO.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Maineac

I come from just about where you come from, and I don't see the red letter treatment that way. JMO.

I wasn't really talking about locality, my fellow statesman. I was talking more about my education, and how you handle one's quotes. But, that's another story.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

...you're putting the emphasis on the officials where it doesn't belong.

Not emphasizing anything, Snaq. I'm merely stating what is.

The myth is that officials should never be involved in determining the outcome of a game. The reality is, that's impossible, and that's all I'm saying. Mbyron pretty much spelled out the reasons.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Handle one's quotes.

Footnote citations, or references? How about posting bibliographies?