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Old Wed Feb 02, 2011, 11:05pm
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I'm not saying they don't have a right to do it. I'm saying it's not "right." You say "until the associations get on the same page..." What do you think this is? It's undermining one another. I've got a problem with it.

AFAIC, the state association had a negotiated fix in place, and opted to punt instead. How many times would you like to revisit it?

Let me put it this way. How many warnings do we give a coach for poor behavior. They've been working on this since 2007. I'd say it's time to put on the adult pants, stand up, and blow the damned whistle.

I get FM competition, but those officials who are crossing the line are short sighted in that they're undermining the negotiating position of their brothers. Frankly, if that's what they want, then they can make $31 and ref forever at those rates.
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We agree with everything but the 'undermining thing'. That is why I said I think it is stupid and short sighted. I am certainly not calling SMART, but I really have no problem with them doing it. B/C Karma, and the Free Market, is a Bi***. Let's fast forward 13 months when NEXT season is over and these "poachers" have provided poor service and are facing an exodus of officials. NOW when the schools come back to the bargaining table, those that walked away will be in a GREATER position of strength, and those that "poached" will most likely NOT be forgotten by those other associations.
So, we agree on like 95% of the stuff.
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Old Wed Feb 02, 2011, 11:16pm
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We agree with everything but the 'undermining thing'. That is why I said I think it is stupid and short sighted. I am certainly not calling SMART, but I really have no problem with them doing it. B/C Karma, and the Free Market, is a Bi***. Let's fast forward 13 months when NEXT season is over and these "poachers" have provided poor service and are facing an exodus of officials. NOW when the schools come back to the bargaining table, those that walked away will be in a GREATER position of strength, and those that "poached" will most likely NOT be forgotten by those other associations.
So, we agree on like 95% of the stuff.
Fair enough. I'm saying they shouldn't do it. You're saying they shouldn't do it but if they want to, so be it. Let them suffer the consequences later.

If that's what you're saying, I can't really argue with it.

Let me finish (for now) by saying you can bet I'd hold it against the poachers/scabs, too. My scratch list would grow, for one.
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If that's what you're saying, I can't really argue with it.

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I'm not saying they don't have a right to do it. I'm saying it's not "right." You say "until the associations get on the same page..." What do you think this is? It's undermining one another. I've got a problem with it.

AFAIC, the state association had a negotiated fix in place, and opted to punt instead. How many times would you like to revisit it?

Let me put it this way. How many warnings do we give a coach for poor behavior. They've been working on this since 2007. I'd say it's time to put on the adult pants, stand up, and blow the damned whistle.

I get FM competition, but those officials who are crossing the line are short sighted in that they're undermining the negotiating position of their brothers. Frankly, if that's what they want, then they can make $31 and ref forever at those rates.
+100

Those who are continually willing to work for peanuts are undermining the entire avocation IMO.

Then again, it's hardly surprising when you consider that, apparently, half of the officials in LA are still wearing belts.
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