Verbal Abuse - how much is too much?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Live ball contact...should of been a double personal foul.

Three choices: Double personal fouls, maybe intentional, maybe flagrant?

[Adam]

Unsporting Double Ts for the action that preceded the contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Unsporting Double Ts for the action that preceded the contact.

That's one hell of a delayed call. Unless your talking about the seconds immediately before the contact, in which case I would have liked to have heard what was said before I T'd them up. I like the intentionals, or if I was in a bad mood in that part of the game, the flagrants.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's one hell of a delayed call. Unless your talking about the seconds immediately before the contact, in which case I would have liked to have heard what was said before I T'd them up. I like the intentionals, or if I was in a bad mood that part of the game, the flagrants.

I'm talking right before, not two trips earlier. And watching them "load up" would be enough for me.

Agreed. By rule, he probably should have gone double personal fouls, but I don't have that big a problem with stretching this a bit in a men's rec game.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I like the intentionals, or if I was in a bad mood in that part of the game, the flagrants.

The problem is: What does double intentionals accomplish? The end result is the same as double personals of the common variety. I didnt feel like their actions warranted flagrants but definitely felt it should have been stronger than just a common double foul. The Ts put both players on notice that no other BS would be tolerated from either of them and neither said a peep the rest of the game. I don't think double intentionals would have had the same effect.

But after looking at the rules book it looks like I grossly misunderstood 4.19.3 in thinking that it allowed for live ball technicals in this situation. Which after reading 4.19.4 and 5 it CLEARLY does not.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm talking right before, not two trips earlier. And watching them "load up" would be enough for me.

Agreed. By rule, he probably should have gone double personal fouls, but I don't have that big a problem with stretching this a bit in a men's rec game.

The time from their "load ups" to contact was too short for me to do anything about it. I did stretch the rules a bit but glad this occurred in men's rec.

Still though, it seems to me that is a bit of a hole in the rules for a situation where you have two opposing players engaging in "contact away from the ball." By rule this would be double intentionals but again, what does that do?

That also leads to a kinda wild situation I had tonite in a scholastic game. I'll have to share details in a thread tomorrow.