Deem ??? Where Did That Come From ???
 

I deem that in this play the ball was accidentally and unintentionally fumbled, that the "first dribble" never occurred because the ball never hit the floor, and that it's legal if the player decided to start a new dribble.

Check?

I don't really see how a player can release a dribble and have it hit his/her foot and come straight back up without wearing some weird shoes. If the ball is fumbled and comes back up off the foot, I do not see a problem. But if it is controlled, it would have to be a violation when the hand(s) touch the ball again before it hits the floor.

Can't Be Overiden, You Can Look It Up ...
 

Do you actually think that the player intentionally planned to "dribble" the ball off his foot? In this case, I don't think that you have to be a mind reader.

And anyway? I've already "deemed" this to be a fumble. Legally, there is no way in the world to override a deeming.

It was not a fumble. The ball was released to start a dribble. This was a given in the OP.

Checkmate

Please Delete Your Checkmate ...
 

Good point, but I've already deemed this. Too late.

Go look for pictures of chess pieces, then report back to us.


Next year.:D

You do not have to "mind read" if the player pushes the ball to the floor. Batting is where you have to use your mind-reading powers.

There Outta Be A Law ...
 

Wait a minute here? You are out of order trying to override my deeming, and I get double secret probation? Just doesn't seem fair? Who's the Forum parliamentarian?

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By Definition, I Believe So ...
 

A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times.

Does the ball actually have to hit the floor for it to be a dribble?

Violation for touching the ball twice during the same dribble, as per the RULING of 4.15.4SitD(a)-"Violation because the ball was touched twice by A1's hand(s) during a dribble before it touched the floor."

Nope.

So if a player is holding the ball, tosses it from one hand to the other, then pushes it to the floor, is that a violation?

No, because the dribble doesn't start until he pushes it to the floor. This call hinges completely on whether A1 has to bat the ball "into the air" in order to be liable for this violation.

That was my point above.

And even if it is during the dribble, I see the ball hitting a foot the same as hitting the floor. What if it's an opponent's foot? It hits and comes straight back up to the dribbler's hand, (very unlikely I know, but no more unlikely than off his own foot) is this a violation?

I'm Out ...
 

Anything that I deemed, I now undeem.

I don't have another move because I'm stuck on the floor. Literally. The "pushes the ball to the floor" part of the definition is confusing me.

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