Dead ball Holding - sitch

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by mick

Geez!
Pass the Windex.
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I'm still trying to figure out why I can't pass the last guy in the race.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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I'm still trying to figure out why I can't pass the last guy in the race.[/B][/QUOTE]Oooooh,that'd be painful!

May I suggest a mild laxative?

[DrakeM]

Thanks Chuck.
Thinking more about this play, the ball HAD been released by the thrower.
And while I absolutely agree about not being "over-officious", like I said, the defender had hold of the offensive players jersey and it was stretched quite far.
By rule ( and trust me, I'm not a "rule book" official)
and intentional foul is one where an "obvious advantage" is gained. That's what happened on this play. (I went right to my rule book after the game, ready to sho the coach the "rule" if he wanted to "talk."
By the way, even though we don't want to be over-officious,
we also can't be afraid to make the tough call when it is the RIGHT call, and needs to be made, NO MATTER WHAT THE TIME AND SCORE IS! IMO

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm still trying to figure out why I can't pass the last guy in the race.[/B]

Oooooh,that'd be painful!

May I suggest a mild laxative? [/B][/QUOTE]

Looks like it's just we 2 here now...I weighed Woody the
other day, 70 lbs! 6 months old...quite a pooch. he's
loving the brisk weather & the falling leaves.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by DrakeM
Thanks Chuck.
Thinking more about this play, the ball HAD been released by the thrower.

Drake, I know we usually talk NCAA and NF, but by the NBA book (or WNBA book) does it matter if the ball has been released? I don't have my Q&A with me. Even if the throw-in has been released, would it still be considered an away-from-the-play foul? I just can't remember if the away-from-the-play provision ends when the ball is released or when it is touched inbounds.

even though we don't want to be over-officious,
we also can't be afraid to make the tough call when it is the RIGHT call, and needs to be made, NO MATTER WHAT THE TIME AND SCORE IS! IMO

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

Chuck

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

1)NF-Personal foul on A2. B2 will shoot bonus FT's.
2)NCAA-team control foul on A2.B gets ball OOB for throw in.(I think).

How'd I do on the NCAA one,Slappy? [/B]

Ya done good, JR. Dan is napping, I think. But you're exactly right about the NCAA ruling. If, as in the original scenario, the official still had the ball, then it would be an intentional technical foul and B would shoot 2 FTs and get the ball at midcourt.

Chuck

[DrakeM]

Actually on THIS particular play, whether or not the ball
had been released WOULD factor into the play. If the ball had been released, then this would be just a normal foul, since the ball was intended for the player that was held.
If the ball was not released, then we could have an away from the play foul, or if the foul was committed across the floor on someone "not involved in the play".
Or if we're not under two minutes, then we have the "foul before the ball is released" option, which is two shots regardless of the penalty situation.

[DrakeM]

By the way Chuck,
Did you ever get paid for your USBL game?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Looks like it's just we 2 here now...I weighed Woody the
other day, 70 lbs! 6 months old...quite a pooch. he's
loving the brisk weather & the falling leaves. [/B][/QUOTE]Wow!! I was gonna ask ya how my favorite little ball-less buddy was doing.Ever notice how eunuchs really pile on the weight after....?
Seriously,you thought of getting a saddle for him for the kids? Or maybe when Chuck comes to visit?

I am now running for cover! Nighty-night!

[ChuckElias]

Drake, yes, I got paid for that last USBL game. Got the check about a month ago. Maybe I'll go back after all

Where is the rule for getting two shots on a foul committed before the ball is released on a throw-in with more than 2 minutes left in the game? I don't remember ever hearing or reading that. Help me out? Thanks

[DrakeM]

Chuck,
Rule 12B Sec I-(8)

[DrakeM]

The exception is the away from the play foul.

[ChuckElias]

Found it, Drake. Thanks. Also pulled out my Q&A and the foul under 2 minutes after the ball has been released on the throw-in is the very first first question in the book. LOL. Common foul. Good call.

Chuck

[Stan]

Originally posted by mick
Lead is about to administer an endline throw-in to Team A, but Lead is still holding the ball.
A2 prematurely starts her part of the "In-bound" play and gets grabbed by B2.
Center made a holding call.

What's your call?

No call because of 4-19-1-note, this rule may also apply to another post discussing false double fouls.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Stan

No call because of 4-19-1-note, this rule may also apply to another post discussing false double fouls.

Reference is not applicable,Stan,unless you combine it with R4-19-5c.Correct call is an intentional technical foul because the ball is dead in this sitch.