Help with a rule.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

LOL! Not even close.

What does this mean?

10-6-1: A player shall not.....push an opponent by extending arm(s).............

That's exactly what happened here. This is not even close to anything under player technical.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What does this mean?

10-6-1: A player shall not.....push an opponent by extending arm(s).............

That's exactly what happened here. This is not even close to anything under player technical.

It's also not anywhere close to being a personal foul.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Can you cite one which says it isn't?

Sure.

A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live.

Illegal contact is addressed under 10-6, where nothing defines contact as touching an opponent with the ball. All articles address illegal personal contact.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It's also not anywhere close to being a personal foul.

So are you saying it's a no call?

All articles address illegal personal contact.

What exactly is personal contact, and where is it defined?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So are you saying it's a no call?

Yes. If an opponent puts a ball in my chest, I'm going to grab it. Whop thinks any player is not going to try to do that?

What exactly is personal contact, and where is it defined?

You can read all about illegal contact and how it involves contact with parts of the body on an opponent in 10-6.

Let me know when you get to the part that says contacting an opponent with the ball is defined as contact.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yes. If an opponent puts a ball in my chest, I'm going to grab it. Whop thinks any player is not going to try to do that?

I agree that any player would try to do that, but in this case he didn't, so it's a moot point.

You can read all about illegal contact and how it involves contact with parts of the body on an opponent in 10-6.

Right, all except 10-6-1 which does not specify which part made the contact.
.....shall not impede the progress of an opponent by extending the arm(s).....
The contact in this example is often with the hands, or in one particular case, the ball.

Let me know when you get to the part that says contacting an opponent with the ball is defined as contact.

Obviously, this issue is not directly addressed in any of the books, so one must interpret the available rules. I guess that's what we're doing.

Has this come up before? I seem to remember a play, here or in real life, where the thrower-in used the ball to back the defender off the line.